posted by davidt on Tuesday November 12 2002, @10:15AM
Mozster writes:

An article appeared in the Scottish Sunday broadsheet 'Scotland On Sunday' by Louise Rimmer previewing the Barrowlands gig.
In it she digs up the age old question (that she obviously thinks is groundbreaking news) Is Morrissey racist?

Worth a read anyways at the link below, obviously not a real fan if she didn't attend!

A light has gone out - by Louise Rimmer, Scotland on Sunday (Nov. 3, 2002)
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  • utter tosh. the poor girl was obviously a little thin on the research front to drag that old one up again.....
    mrbleepbleep -- Tuesday November 12 2002, @11:15AM (#48631)
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  • This article was written by someone whom was giving an assignment. He/she goes on and on about were he is living, who his neighbor is the writer gives the reader the general information that is need to pass on information on them and then goes way into detail with the lyrics... PLEASE!!!!!
    I am so disgusted I dont even want to write about this topic anymore!!!
    vauxhall25 -- Tuesday November 12 2002, @11:25AM (#48633)
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  • Racism so old (Score:1, Interesting)

    Moz is so racist that he has openly admitted that he wishes he was Mexican. He's so racist that he says Mexico is his favorite Country.He's so racist that he sings a song for and called "Mexico".He's so racist that he says the biggest nost disturbing rumor about him is he racist.He's so racist against Asians(Asian Rut)that he has as Asian playing backup on that song.We could go on and on about this, but truely understand he's not.Nor is anyone else in the band.Not Gary,Dean,Boz,or Alain.For Christ sakes , Garys favorite band when he was little was The Specials, if that doesn't say enough. I know what your thinking why doesn't he come out and answers his critics???He is, by not saying anything-true genious.You go Moz forget trying to explain yourself to such rubbish.YOu don't have to.The real fans no where you stand everyone else questions the truth.Long live the Moz.
    Viva,
    Creg Hampshire
    P.S. Racism sucks !!!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday November 12 2002, @11:53AM (#48638)
  • mmmmm ... (Score:2, Insightful)

    The journalist is entitled to her own opinions but her argument, in the end, as why Morrissey is "wrong" is totally ridiculous!! What does she think: that we, his fans, are little children who need some guidance when listening to his songs??? Morrissey's appeal to me has always been the 'ambigious character' of his lyrics, even if this means some texts can sound controversial. She writes: "... but Morrissey’s refusal to ever speak frankly about his views and alienate himself from the far-right is unforgivable" ... this is almost a stalinistic viewpoint: I, the leftwing emancipated journalist, have the truth in my possession and you shall act accordingly to it! He wasn't really accused of anything (except by the bloody NME) so why should he take an explicite political stance?? I never heard anything racist in Moz's lyrics - realism definitely - (and always protected him when people slagged him off like that) ... can someone explain me what is racist about Bengali in platforms (even if it is sung from his personal perspective)?? I hear some compassion towards the Bengali, it's like he tries to warn him for what's to come.
    Vincent <[email protected]> -- Tuesday November 12 2002, @11:54AM (#48639)
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    • Re:mmmmm ... by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday November 12 2002, @12:42PM
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  • Wank.
    Furby -- Tuesday November 12 2002, @02:55PM (#48657)
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  • When I listen to Asian Rutt I hear something about how racism sucks on this poor Asian boy three against one. Is everyone who writes an article about Moz an idiot.Haven't they ever heard of third person writing anyways???Most of his songs speak from someone elses prospective anyways.True fans know this.Others are wickedly blind.

    -Pedro
    Anonymous -- Tuesday November 12 2002, @09:25PM (#48688)
  • pile of shite...I get the S o S weekly and am always apalled by her incoherent, ill-founded rants. ignore this hack and let her fck off to the tabloids!
    Anonymous -- Wednesday November 13 2002, @01:14AM (#48697)
  • she should leave Scotland. The post-Braveheart Scottish nationalist movement could teach the British Nationalist Party or the National Front a few tricks, for all its multicultural and conciliatory language.
    David T (different) -- Wednesday November 13 2002, @01:56AM (#48703)
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  • she can't help it, she needs education:

    [email protected]
    Anonymous -- Wednesday November 13 2002, @06:50AM (#48731)
  • Bengali in Platforms

    This song brought Moz a lot of troubles with PC types like this particular Scottish journalist...
    Talk about musical group Cornershop...
    Cornershop are Indian-British guys who made some cool music with fusion of both Britpop, some jazz and some Indian rhymes... They hated Moz song 'cause Moz tried to tell that Bengalis (or any other Asians) don't belong in England... "Life is hard enough when you belong here", "shelf your Western dreams", all of this sounds for British citizen of Indian or Pakistani descent both hostile/rude and sickeningly patronizing... I think they (Cornershop boys) even burned Viva Hate albums at cheap publicity stunt... This song brought our dear Mozza a lot of grief from PC British Press... This song reflects SOME of white working-class Brit or Irish views, that newly arrived immigrants are competing with native-born whites for working class low-paying jobs and meager social resources... Those retrograde and one could say reactionary backslash against immigration led neo-Nazi right-wing peoples like Le Pen in France and Haiger in Austria to get significant amount of working class votes... The root of the conflict is inadequacies of the modern capitalist system, where poor whites and immigrants must compete with each other for the meager low-paying dead end jobs and welfare benefits at the bottom of the social ladder... Immigrants, who are the most upward mobile and energetic representatives of their particular ethnicities, are usually winning this economic Rat Race by their smarts and their work ethics over poor whites, many of them (whites) are not being that bright, or educated, or new economy savvy... So yes, Moz maybe wrote this song for the purpose to stir debates about those complex and not at all black-and-white issues... It was both courageous and repulsive song at the same time...

    Asian Rut...

    Personally, I found this song purely homoerotic, not socially-oriented... Lush oriental melody is produced by Pakistani electric violin player, as was rightly mentioned above. Sexually charged lyrics are about Asian boy engaging with 3 English boys in something... but in what? Street fight? Probably not, the melody is relaxed, putting listener into erotic nirvana... Maybe playing Nintendo? :-) Or maybe perhaps into something X-rated? Isn't this song about interracial adult alliances... Isn't this song contains a gentle irony about unfair sexual stereotypes... (Lyrics here may point out to "tool" sizes, implied to acme representative of certain ethnicities. Moz jokes about arriving to place "more civilized", that is free of sexual prejudices and stereotypes.)... The last theory is probably closest to the truth...

    National Front Disco song.

    Moz is not endorsing the dumb choice of the boy, newly minted NF member, but on opposite, shows his pity and concern for this lost soul... Only blind and deaf (like some PC peoples) could not recognize the Moz's bitter irony in the song name... Homophobic, sexist NFD members and Disco, the institution most beloved by chicks and gays...

    Moz "infamous" Union Jack waving...

    As of Morrissey, wrapping himself into Union Jack at 1992, I could wonder, why this understandable "working class Bruce Springsteen-like patriotic display" gesture produced such a bad blood between him and Anglo liberals in England? No one of clear mind would accuse poetic and Oscar-Wildean Moz in sympathies to National Front... Perhaps quite a few of PC crowd in 1992 England were so dogmatic and inflexible in their beliefs & convictions, they all were too ready to put a label on such an independent and idiosyncratic soul as Moz for expressing "politically incorrect" patriotic feelings... Perhaps Moz wanted to say: "Yes, I was born Irish but England is my country too, and, if necessary, I'm ready to defend it from enemies... Not necessary Nazis, but enemies such as ignorance, philistinism, vulgarity, hate..." Definitely any thoughts of Moz identification with NF are preposterous...

    P.S. Just an off-topi
    Fox in the Snow -- Thursday November 14 2002, @02:16AM (#48824)
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  • I read that this crappy Cornershop band really actually loves Moz and if I'm not mistaken doesn't Moz really like them a lot. I sware I read an interview from him stating that Cornershop was fantastic.I'm confused !?!
    Anonymous -- Thursday November 14 2002, @07:58AM (#48839)
  • The woman is deranged. She really is not worth 19 or 20 comments. The human rights defender! ...the hypocrisy is so poorly masked. And she has no talent, she relies on cliches as old as the hills: the flower-liking girlie who loses faith in the beloved idol... a long, uninteresting delirium.
    Anonymous -- Thursday November 14 2002, @08:18AM (#48841)
  • Did we read the same article? Believe me, I owe much/all to HIM and his silk parachute, and I must say that was one of the most beautifully written articles I've ever read. Sure, I may not agree with the "not forgiving him" thing, but that may be due to my not being from the area. The girl is on to something...My guess something "truthy". :)

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    whoamomma -- Thursday November 14 2002, @09:36AM (#48846)
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  • obviously the girl wgo wrote this article is like stupid.Mozz does not need to explain it thats like asking a poet or a novelist to explain his work. Everyone has different interpretations of the song.N i doubt that Mozz was being racist n if he was saying something about asians in his songs the why did he have an arab dude (ali Khan) play on the song?She just wants to make a counter point to something sio great like Mozz. Wat a loser. Go home n listen to a more suitable record like like a virgin b/c obviously if u doubt Mozz then u dont desreve to be a fan. Long Live MOzz.
    WilliamMozzChick -- Thursday November 14 2002, @09:33PM (#48917)
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  • Louise Rimmer writes: His sexuality has always been ambiguous and until recently, a fiercely-guarded secret.

    Say wha? Did Morrissey come out of the closet and I totally missed it?
    Anonymous -- Sunday November 17 2002, @12:52PM (#49069)


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