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davidt
on Friday May 23 2003, @09:00AM
Pearl E King writes:
This article in Friday's London Evening Standard on Morrissey's decline and his current position in LA, even mentions the writ against Morrissey-solo... The original pop geek by Simon Goddard, London Evening Standard (May 23, 2003) Last month, Coldplay's Chris Martin announced to a sell-out crowd at Earl's Court that his band's commercial triumph was proof "that geeks can succeed". But 20 year ago Morrissey, lead singer of The Smiths, became the first pop geek with his NHS spectacles and gladioli...
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"The original pop geek" by Simon Goddard, London Evening Standard
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not the same league (Score:1)
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Geek chic (Score:1)
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Is Moz suing? (Score:1)
no sense
(User #1379 Info)
hmmm... (Score:1)
But Simon Goddard knows his stuff; it's always a pleasure to read him.
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moz solo (Score:0)
Oh dear... (Score:1, Redundant)
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Let lying dogs sleep (Score:1, Troll)
No, just a writ that threatened so, and apparently isn't going to be followed up on.
effectively turning his wrath on the very constituency that has sustained him for the past six years,
You wouldn't know it by reading half of the comments around here. And don't be so thick, he had a good reason. Plus, it was only the webmaster, not "the constituency".
attacking his own fan-base
David T is Morrissey's fan base? He went after him, not all or any of the posters, as the way this article is worded suggests.
for daring to suggest that he is anything other than an infallible messiah.
Come off it, it was a hell of a lot more than that. Here, let me say it. "Morrissey is not an infallable messiah." Watch his lawyers NOT fall on me for that.
To say the least, truly dissapointed.
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Publicity (Score:0)
I don't know why, but it feels as if we will soon hear that the record deal mentioned in Word, and the Importance...documentary are about to be crushed.
that's dumb (Score:1)
anyhow, that article was what i was imagining was going to happen. a journalist doesn't want to flat out say, "moz didn't pay his crew" because there is a lot of shit involved with it if they did. but its much easier to say, "a website is being issued writs because they said moz didn't pay his crew" because the latter is a verifiable fact that David was contacted by a lawyer with a cease and desist order and told to remove offensive content.
its like a whack-a-mole game, if you think about it.
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Call him irresponsible (Score:0)
It doesn't seem irresponsible at all (Score:1)
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Exaggerations etc. (Score:0, Redundant)
"the hellish catacombs within his perplexing psyche"
Oh, dictators and murderers step aside, here comes… Doesn’t Goddard have a better place to direct his enourmous anger?
" after it was revealed that, with co-writer and guitarist Johnny Marr, he had drawn up a contract that would deny bassist Andy Rourke and drummer Mike Joyce an equal share of performance monies"
So Goddard is actually saying there was a contract? Interesting, maybe he should be called as a witness to the defence when case is brought up again ;)
"Morrissey is now suing Morrissey-Solo.com"
Jumping to conclusions, anyone?
"attacking his own fan-base for daring to suggest that he is anything other than an infallible messiah."
I personally don’t feel I have been attacked for calling him ‘anything other than an infallible messiah’. Actually I don’t feel very attacked at all.
From "cease and desist" to "suing" (Score:1)
kl
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Re:From "cease and desist" to "suing" (Score:2, Interesting)
i don't know. if he's going through with a lawsuit, it makes me wonder about his own self-destructive tendencies. its almost like a subconscious thing that of everything that has gone on in the past that he has disapproved of on this site, which i know there has been plenty because he's complained for years, that he chooses this very hairy moment in time to try and destroy his biggest source of free PR for both journalists and his fans, and manage to look like the grinch who stole christmas by taking away a site that has been a happy home to his fans for so many years.
or would he simply be thinking, "i've got my record deal. i don't have to put up with this website anymore if i don't feel like it"?
not that every last fan of his on the planet comes here, but you can tell by how everyone from Simon Goddard to the BBC drops by here that they obviously take this site seriously enough into consideration if they decide to do something special like have a tribute week.
its not just new material that keeps people here. its because they like him and have deep respect for him. it probably doesn't look like it sometimes, but love is never pure. that's why couples argue. they get annoyed that someone's feelings were trampled on and it clears the air because nobody is perfect. that, and maybe sometimes people don't understand the role of a star. its not like you can fault them. its not like someone who can go to a Burger King and scoff at the service, "i can do better" and then get hired there and find out that they can't do better. and i know that if you read the ramblings from his early days making a stab as a rock critic, he was in that same boat once. if he would maybe try to remember those days when he wrote that Iggy Pop should consider retirement, maybe this wouldn't seem so bad.
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simon goddard article (Score:2, Insightful)
The of course it goes into the legal wranglings with Mike Joyce and claims he is suing Morrissey-solo.com, ending with (Dial a Cliche indeed) "Heaven knows he really must be miserable now". Not as miserable as someone who has to rely on writing shite like this to make a living.
This paper is read by middle Englanders on their daily commute back to the suburbs. Picture the scene: all those thousands of Reggie Perrins and Jerry Leadbetters, who know nothing of Moz, on their way back to Metroland reading this article. How depressing.
This piece of trash reinforces the old cliches about Morrissey and the Smiths and says nothing about his work after 1987. No mention was made of last year's triumpant tour other than in relation to the rumour posted on this site about non-payment of the crew!
It really is quite depressing that someone like Goddard is quite happy to make a living out of Moz and put the boot in with such an unrepresentative article. Maybe he's been spending too much time with Mike Joyce. Moz should issue an immediate fatwa on Simon Goddard. On second thoughts, maybe he should get his lawyer to send him a letter!
Disgusted of Mile End
Simon you're a lunatic (Score:1, Insightful)
Please get over the fact that you cannot be famous on your own terms, but have to suck up to failed punk drummers and council house rats.
Simon, writing, being, creating is NOT 'treading water'. But what would you know, your only talent (?) is dissecting the true art of others, the writer of the music and the singer of the songs.
Go away Simon, please.
Damned with faint praise (Score:1)
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Afterthoughts (Score:1)
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Goddard is not a fan of Morrissey (Score:1)
and it shows. and Chris Martin is not a geek. he's a dork.
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Bernard is an ignoramus (Score:2, Interesting)
If Goddard is "not a fan of Morrissey", as you say, how do you explain his book "The Songs That Saved Your Life"? That book was basically a 200 page love-letter to The Smiths.
Calm down pal ...
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nobody (Score:1)
that's taking slander onto whole new levels of degradation...
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where does it all come from.... (Score:0)
once we used to argue his songs and albums are as good as ever. in the last 6 years we seem to admit he's got some issues but still we refuse to accept the notion that going solo was bad for him.
all those journalists, singers, former-fans, are saying what they're saying because going solo for moz as a non-musician is a very meaningful act.
he no longer stands for something greater than himself, no longer represents a generation - he doesn't represent the anonymous john smith, but morrissey only. morrissey haven't learned guitar or piano, haven't searched for new horizons, but continued to make his die hard fans (like me) happy.
he manipulated our love for him to make us psychologically stagnated.u can say "speak for yourself" but think before u write.
many of those we blame are constantly looking for the new musical thrill, some do it for the hype, but most because they really enjoy the melody, the harmony, the excitment of discovering new sounds - the edge's guitar, depeche mode doom sounds, the cure heaven-like riffs, the stone roses mix of rhythm and force, radiohead every-sound, and so on. it has been too long since morrissey has put something like that, and by never really spotlighting his guitar mates, its as if he told us "the music doesn't matter, it's just me".
so the press becomes tired of delving into the lyrics, the want to compare, praise and criticise melodic quality and morrissey has forced them to focuse on him. even the lyrics are not the same, so morrissey's lovers are doomed to adore him for the nostalgia, for the live act, for his looks, interviews (which are filled with nostalgia), and the witty things he say - which also depends a lot if you love the guy on the first place.
face ot, in the last 8 years morrissey has done very little. it's more than half of his solo career, in fact he made only 2 good albums since parting with stephen street, then it all became about him.
don't get me wrong. i like morrissey because for many moments he gave me, but he's making it hard for me.
i do feel he has been attacking his fan base, because he knew david is going to inform us all (or should have known) but didn't give a damn and never once addressed us all those years to explain, inform or whatever.
i can see why SG writes what he writes, it's no reason not to buy the book. indeed, he sounds to me like someone who would not appreciate YA or V & I but it's not his fault ;)
c'mon critics. kill me
noam
over reaction (Score:0)
On the issue that "a glorified mix-tape" is "scant substitute" for a proper return from Moz, I have to agree. Great as it is that this Under The Influence CD is getting him back on magazine covers, surely I can't be the only one who senses a case of 'Emperor's New Clothes' here? We've been begging for a new album for years now and my patience is all but exhausted with this deal that may/may not be happening. Forget various artists CDs of your favourite records Morrissey - WE WANT A NEW ALBUM FROM YOU!
I don't agree with Goddard if he thinks Moz is finished, but I think he's writing as a frustrated fan here rather than a bitter journo (he does say "the greatest lyricist of his generation" - who on this site can argue with that?).
from the Word.. (Score:1)
Although I agree with their fairtrade stuff, I find the whole "ideal son-in-law with a nice smile" thing a little too dull for my liking!
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What about Weezer?? (Score:1)
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