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davidt
on Thursday September 16 2004, @08:00AM
broken writes:
Thanks to Miss Misery who posted this story on the messageboard (link): From "City Life" magazine [His] 'peculiar' style attracted Morrissey, who asked Reilly to co-write his first solo album, Viva Hate. But, like many who've worked with the singer, it left him with a bad taste in his mouth. "Viva Hate is now on sale in the shops and my name doesn't appear anywhere on it-that's very impolite," Reilly says (remarkably calmly). "If there's been an injustice then Morrissey knows about it and he's got the rest of his life to live with that. I've behaved correctly. I was never credited or paid-it's not the money, it's the morality." Musically though, the collaboration was successful. Singers must have been queueing up to work with him. "After doing Viva Hate, he asked me to co-write his next solo album. I suggested we do something a bit out-there because he had the clout to do it all at that point, but he didn't want to. So I said no because I didn't want to do anymore three-minute pop songs--they were just boring to me. He didn't speak to me for three years after that--he took it as a personal rejection. Other people have asked me to work with them but I don't like collaborating-there's always a new tune of mine to do."
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Vini Reilly comments on "Viva Hate" and the follow-up album that never was
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confusing (Score:1)
Or is he saying he was never credited with co-writes? I always understood that -- contrary to popular belief -- V.R. didn't write any of the tunes.
Does the article clarify what Vini's talking about?
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Oh Boo Hoo.... (Score:1)
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hhhmmm (Score:1)
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Pity.. (Score:0)
Rewriting history (Score:0)
From what I have heard about the way they worked on that album is that Stephen Street did the basic tracks, Morrissey came in with the lyrics and melodies and then Vini added orchestration over the top.
I suppose really Vini and Street could have shared writing credits but that really should have been agreed at the time. No point in moaning about it 15 years on.
I'm glad Morrissey didn't follow Vini's path because it sounds like an ego project for Vini. Morrissey is a mainstream pop/rock singer who has touched far more people than he ever could going avant garde. I'm sure it's all about ideas and communication for him.
Morrissey the mizer (Score:0)
Read THIS! (Score:0)
I got the call from Stephen Street one night when I was driven over to the studio where he and Morrissey were recording. Stephen had produced two of my albums, so we were friends. He played me demos of some rudimentary songs he'd recorded and, frankly, they were awful – just C and F chords with the odd A-minor every once in a while – laughably basic stuff. Morrissey was there, squatting in a corner, visibly squirming.
Basically, they wanted me to rescue these tracks, so I went away to have a think about it. I agreed, on the condition that I could re-write all the music from scratch.
In fact, there was actually one really good song – Suedehead – which Stephen Street had written, right down to the guitar solo. But it really was the only one; all the other music on the record is mine.
Working with Morrissey didn't daunt me at all. I had a brief chat with Johnny Marr, which put me at my ease – I knew what to expect. Morrissey is a very responsive singer. He'd always surprise me by singing the chorus over what I'd written as a verse – and vice versa. Musically, I had a completely free rein. I could do anything, from wig-out solos to little Spanish trills and the full string arrangement on Angel, Angel, Down We Go Together. Even the guillotine at the end was my idea.
I've never been credited for those songs – they're attributed to Stephen Street and Morrissey. My name doesn't appear at all on the recent reissue. Don't get me wrong, I have only admiration for Mozzer – I met him in Manchester recently and we had a nice chat. I just want history to record my contribution accurately.
Jana
No one gets paid like the carnies! (Score:1)
Stop complaining about not getting paid. Take it like a man.
Sincerely,
The Oye Esteban 2000 tour stage workers
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Morrissey's disrespect (Score:0)
If Morrissey had gone along with Vini's idea I think you would have had something better than Viva Hate and a really unique work.
What followed Viva Hate -> Kill Uncle !!!.
What was that but a failed experiment in blandness.
Morrissey has shown a lot of disrespect to all those he collaborated with :
* Johnny Marr - cleverly tried to blame him for ending Smiths when it was Mozzer's phone call to NME all along that pushed Johnny over the edge. A cunning stunt.
* Andy & Mike - screwed 'em from day one with secret phone calls to Geoff Travis about having 2 names on contract.
* Stephen Street - Refused to pay him due royalties.
* Vini Reilly - Refused to pay him due royalties.
* Tour Staff - refused to pay their wages.
etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.......
I personally would never work with Moz (Score:1)
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"out there" (Score:1)
Anyway, you get the general idea, as someone once said.
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