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01 May 2010 BBC Radio 2- The Record Producers - Official Stephen Street Website Diary
Hi All
Just to say that the BBC Radio program featuring myself will be broadcast on Radio 2 at 10 pm on 3rd May 2010 and will also be featured on BBC 6 Music the following Sunday.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s7mc1
It was intended to play a 20 second segment of an out take demo that I recorded with Morrissey in the program but Friday afternoon (30th April) both the BBC and myself received a letter from Morrissey's solicitors threatening an immediate injunction preventing any broadcast unless the material was removed.
Apparently their client (Morrissey) was 'horrified that the proposed material would be broadcast'. I can not understand this way of thinking at all. Throughout the program I am extremely in full praise of Morrissey and the demo was intended to show that even when he was singing on a 4 track cassette he still sounded great! I didn't think it would do any harm to play a small segment but it has, at this very late stage been removed. I would also like to say that I've seen mention of some Viva Hate demos being available on the internet. How they got there, god only knows! I have certainly never distributed any out take recordings or demos on the 'net and I'd be interested to know who did?!
The producer of the program, Steve Levine, has told me that throughout all the other episodes including artists such as Paul MacCartney, Holland, Dozier, Holland (Motown), Bruce Springsteen and Phil Collins, rough demos have been played with their blessing and this is the first time they have been threatened with an injunction. These artists have realised that the program isn't about them, it's about the producer and the work involved in taking a song from 'demo' stage to the finished article, and as such, the playing of rare demos or out-takes is incredibly interesting. Oh well, some things (or people) never change!
Nevermind, I've been assured that the program will still be a good one! Hopefully you will enjoy!
Cheers!
Stephen
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what an absolute........ (Score:0, Funny)
What song was it? (Score:1)
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Why did you change? (Score:0)
quality control (Score:2, Insightful)
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it's up to moz (Score:0)
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Re:it's up to moz (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:it's up to moz (Score:2, Insightful)
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Being objective (Score:2, Informative)
In the cold light of day, while Street wanted to play the demo in good will, ownership of the demo may not legally have been his in full and all broadcast approval will be tied up in the contracts/publishing deals they signed as co-writers at the time. It may have been ever so slightly naive of Street and the BBC to believe they could broadcast the material without going through the proper legal channels. Had they done so, then nobody would ever know about the idea of broadcasting a rare demo and nobody would be disappointed when that idea was vetoed. Instead, by NOT going through those channels, Street and the BBC have forced Morrissey to put an injuction in - i.e. look like a bad guy - and everybody blames Morrissey when he's only exercising his legal right. The real shame is that Street and the BBC neglected to consider this before getting fans all geared up for treats which weren't his to share.
Street's heart is in the right place but being objective his enthusiasm may be to blame for this. We should not knee-jerk attack Morrissey for merely sticking up for what is, in part, HIS to decide when to make public.
Re:Being objective (Score:2, Interesting)
Jealous much of the drop dead gorgeous, talented, only Smiths who became, and still is a star Steven Patrick Morrissey Hmmm?
We understand.
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lol (Score:1)
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Pitty (Score:0)
To ask for "Permission" should be counted (Score:0)
For us fans we are always playing music freely to our friends and foes and post it around the Net share whats not ours. That gets him more fans nothing wrong with that. Its different.
Yes the program isnt about them its about the Producer. But without their work you have nothing to present. You take some, you have to give some, and doesnt have to be Money or Credit for what you do. Just simple communication. Mutual Agreement.
What's the big deal? (Score:0, Flamebait)
He's being abit of a mardarse.
it's probably that time of the month. He should have sucked on his goats cheese and thought it over abit more.
Get's me how he allowed the talented Street to publish his personal letter on his website and yet not allow this.
Well, we can't miss what we've not had.
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Not surprising (Score:0, Troll)
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programme not program (Score:0)
"...These artists have realised..." (Score:2, Funny)
And oh how the "fans" attitude toward Morrissey changes per topic: A few words toward a deceased fan and Morrissey is the greatest man alive; a threat of lawsuit if HIS work is aired without his permission, and oh how the venom flies.
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oh dear, why do only the crap bits of Moz history (Score:0)
clumsy racism furores, isssuing injunctions against Stephen Street, sacking managers.
what an idiot.
if only he could realise the sheer effortless and magical superiority of Street's compositions over the generic indie stodge of the last 15 years that he has (mainly) been putting out, and attempted to build bridges, rather than indulge in this kind of ridiculous, adolescent churlishness.
what an absolute tit.
So Street will never produce another Moz album... (Score:1, Funny)
Moz, I love you, but this seems a little churlish...
Injuctions (Score:2, Insightful)
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moz, you had us, and then... (Score:0)
you do a wonderful thing with the 'tribute'/letter and then you go and do something like this.
why are you like this?
au contraire.
An Observation (Score:1, Insightful)
He wouldn't be the first...
Mr Street (Score:0)
What you must have gone through? I shudder to think!
THANK YOU - for a collection of brilliant songs this weirdo couldn't have produced without you or, at least, an army of genies!!
why (Score:1)
he coul've played an unknown song from Blur also,
as he produced at least 2 albums plus Graham Coxon solo
he could have played a bit a not yest released album from , I'm nost sure, but thought the Kaiser Chiefs, he worked with Pete Doherty
why just moaning over that album
cheering Steven?, no
Stephen another stab in the back
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What a diva! (Score:0)
Typical! (Score:0, Flamebait)
Re:Typical! (Score:2, Interesting)
Morrissey could work, and be succesfull
well Mr Street found out very soon after Viva Hate,Morrissey can be produced by anyone who he
wants to.
the 1992 Your Arsenal produced by Mick Ronson
[RIP]was as succesfull as Viva Hate, I'm not debating about quality, but it got major media attention and a succesfull tour, well his tours always are, even without a recorddeal
OTOH Street went on, and did a lot of producing and till today still doing his job,, with a lot
of well selled albums
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You "Fans" are Disgusting (Score:3, Funny)
First of all, you have not gotten to him. And you can’t. Morrissey is “Bigger than Life”. Most of you all to him, most of you are like starfish, jellyfish … washed up upon the shore. You are just “there”. You are like the measles. Most of you are just meaningless to him. It’s not like it used to be and he sees the psychology of it all.
Talk about “shifting gears“. You things are beyond hypocritical back stabbers, confused ” fans” with nothing better to do than wash your starfish, jellyfish selves onto the shores, rocks, and tides and linger … so desolate.
I just can’t wait until Morrissey’s birthday on May 22nd to come here and see the switch. And how you things shall float back on here to praise him, worship the ground he walks on, while maintaining how much you all “love” him.
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dear stephen (Score:1)
the important part here being "with their blessing" - it woulds appear that these people were actually asked first. - why didn't you ask morrissey first? - that would have been the right thing to do stephen
instead you allowed this programme to be advertised as featuring these "morrissey exclusives" - trading on his name.
and it also turns out you had offered up for publication some private "work in progress" versions of songs which you don't fully own.
if i made an album with you stephen and you then played my early vocal takes on national radio without asking i would be horrifed - its only natural
how unprofessional of you - and then you are surprised at an injunction?
seems like its you that hasn't changed stephen - you are thoughtless and rude - why?
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Come on people! (Score:0)
20 seconds (Score:0)
deary me moz
Does't this already exist? (Score:0)
Intellectual Property (Score:1)
I agree with anonymous above. This is the business-side that we as fans are just being used in a publicity tug-of-war when it's all aired out like this.
BBC should've just removed the mention of the demos and Street could've still shined in Moz's glow speaking professionally about his work with him while discussing formally released tracks (which BBC would already have permission to play). Maybe it's not what Street originally envisioned, but he would've saved everyone this headache. Us included.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
Carry on...!
Cheers,
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Consent (Score:1)
Instead, Morrissey probably found out about it airing on Radio 2 on this very website! Moz had every right to threaten legal action.
Lets hope all of the deoms will be included on some fantastic Viva Hate remaster very very soon.
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Same old (Score:1, Insightful)
Are Moz fans really the only ones who seem to resent the hold he exerts over their lives? I never see this kind of mindless drivel on BowieWonderworld or any of the other big fansites.
Re:Same old (Score:2, Insightful)
Peronsonally I think that like ninety five percent of these things come here and psychologically abuse Morrissey because of something totally different. Morrissey was set up in my opinion,by the "enemy" in or ar ound 2007 if I recall rightly. I believe that the magazine had an agenda to ruin Morrissey's reputation and career.Most people, like well how do you call these things people by the way they are to him...But then most people ARE conformists and I fully believe that the "enemy" caused this. The proof is in the timing.
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Re:Same old (Score:3, Funny)
The cruel malicious comments blowing in here time and time again? The violence at recent concerts (Against Morrissey)? Well, it all began AFTER the NME published said article whereby they portrayed that Morrissey is a racist. Amongst other things, including but not limited to, immigration, libel, and other vast libelous statements.
Also, you spoke about Morrissey’s behavior. I believe there is nothing wrong with his behavior. Morrissey is not spiteful or nasty. He does not say horrible things about others because he has never never set out to destroy any other artist’s career or reputation. Now, did he?
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BBC radio (Score:1)
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Moz is currently... (Score:0)
Of course the NME... (Score:0)
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The reason for the halt.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Stephen Street, best known for his work with The Smiths in the 1980s, was listed as an engineer on the Smiths' albums "Meat Is Murder" and "The Queen Is Dead". Street was also credited as a producer on the Smiths' final album, "Strangeways, Here We Come". Street has a reputation for producing commercially viable music. As his role became increasingly prominent on the Smiths' studio albums, their sound evolved from the relatively cheap production of their Street-less eponymous debut to the polished sound of Strangeways, "Here We Come".
Street collaborated with Morrissey on some of his most popular work after The Smiths broke up, playing instruments and co-writing songs. Morrissey ended their association apparently because of disputes regarding the royalties and alleged conversations between Street and author of controversial Morrissey texts, Johnny Rogan.
It was not the only dispute Street had with Morrissey and/or musicians involved in a Morrissey album. Street and guitarist on "Viva Hate", Vini Reilly, had a dispute over songwriting credits. Reilly claimed to have written the majority of the tracks on the album, which Street dismissed and claimed that he wrote all of the tracks on the album and Reilly had no part to play in this. Fact is that Street was credited as producer, songwriter, guitarist, and bass guitarist on the album.
from: http://www.side-line.com/news_commen...=44571_0_2_0_C [side-line.com]
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Re:who cares (Score:0)
washed up old fucker, you say?
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Re:moz is a twat (Score:1)
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Why should it piss you off Its his business (Score:0)
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