posted by davidt on Tuesday May 04 2010, @10:00AM
An anonymous person posted the link in the previous related story:

01 May 2010 BBC Radio 2- The Record Producers - Official Stephen Street Website Diary

Hi All

Just to say that the BBC Radio program featuring myself will be broadcast on Radio 2 at 10 pm on 3rd May 2010 and will also be featured on BBC 6 Music the following Sunday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00s7mc1

It was intended to play a 20 second segment of an out take demo that I recorded with Morrissey in the program but Friday afternoon (30th April) both the BBC and myself received a letter from Morrissey's solicitors threatening an immediate injunction preventing any broadcast unless the material was removed.

Apparently their client (Morrissey) was 'horrified that the proposed material would be broadcast'. I can not understand this way of thinking at all. Throughout the program I am extremely in full praise of Morrissey and the demo was intended to show that even when he was singing on a 4 track cassette he still sounded great! I didn't think it would do any harm to play a small segment but it has, at this very late stage been removed. I would also like to say that I've seen mention of some Viva Hate demos being available on the internet. How they got there, god only knows! I have certainly never distributed any out take recordings or demos on the 'net and I'd be interested to know who did?!

The producer of the program, Steve Levine, has told me that throughout all the other episodes including artists such as Paul MacCartney, Holland, Dozier, Holland (Motown), Bruce Springsteen and Phil Collins, rough demos have been played with their blessing and this is the first time they have been threatened with an injunction. These artists have realised that the program isn't about them, it's about the producer and the work involved in taking a song from 'demo' stage to the finished article, and as such, the playing of rare demos or out-takes is incredibly interesting. Oh well, some things (or people) never change!

Nevermind, I've been assured that the program will still be a good one! Hopefully you will enjoy!

Cheers!

Stephen
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  • twunt!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @10:11AM (#351704)
  • I don't see where it's mentioned.
    ThinkOfMeKindlyLV -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @10:38AM (#351707)
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  • This is why I lose more and more respect for our Moz each day. He's no different than any other diva out there now. Heck, even some bigger stars had no problem with their demos being played. What a wanker!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @10:40AM (#351708)
    • Re:Why did you change? by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday May 05 2010, @07:42PM
      • quality control (Score:2, Insightful)

        i don't agree. it's about quality control and maintaining rules. if worrying about 20 seconds seems a bit intense i suggest you listen to his music. you agree to one bit being aired and everyone crawls out with their cassettes and DATS
        methadone -- Thursday May 06 2010, @10:05AM (#351907)
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    • Re:Why did you change? by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday May 11 2010, @03:48AM
  • it's his work. if he doesn't want it airing, then that is that
    playboys -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @10:58AM (#351710)
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    • Re:it's up to moz by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday May 04 2010, @11:52PM
    • Re:it's up to moz (Score:2, Insightful)

      You are absolutely right! I mean Phil Collins did it Bruce Springsteen did it. That is all very well, but it is still Morrissey's decision what piece of his music he likes to be played in public. To me it sounds as if this should just serve as another argument of how arogant and unfriendly Morrissey is and i think it is just not fair! He just didn't want to get any unfinished work into public view like no painter or writer would exhibit an unfinished painting or book... That's his choice. But some people always need to prove how evil Morrissey is...
      VIVAH8 <[email protected]> -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @03:07AM (#351795)
      (User #3602 Info)
      "veganism is compassion"
      • Re:it's up to moz (Score:2, Insightful)

        It is up to morrissey totally agree but i thought it was a bit unnecessary for him to have his soliciters threatening them... but i supose it made sure they didnt air it.
        Carly_mc -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @05:51AM (#351807)
        (User #22638 Info)
        "Im smart enough to know how stupid i am"
    • Re:it's up to moz by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday May 05 2010, @03:51AM
  • Being objective (Score:2, Informative)

    While it's very sad we never got to hear this, we shouldn't let our disappointment turn in to unnecessary anti-Moz rage.

    In the cold light of day, while Street wanted to play the demo in good will, ownership of the demo may not legally have been his in full and all broadcast approval will be tied up in the contracts/publishing deals they signed as co-writers at the time. It may have been ever so slightly naive of Street and the BBC to believe they could broadcast the material without going through the proper legal channels. Had they done so, then nobody would ever know about the idea of broadcasting a rare demo and nobody would be disappointed when that idea was vetoed. Instead, by NOT going through those channels, Street and the BBC have forced Morrissey to put an injuction in - i.e. look like a bad guy - and everybody blames Morrissey when he's only exercising his legal right. The real shame is that Street and the BBC neglected to consider this before getting fans all geared up for treats which weren't his to share.

    Street's heart is in the right place but being objective his enthusiasm may be to blame for this. We should not knee-jerk attack Morrissey for merely sticking up for what is, in part, HIS to decide when to make public.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @11:00AM (#351711)
  • There has rarely been a greater #1 story and #2 story combo on Morrissey-Solo than the one on here right now..! Great stuff!
    2-J -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @11:13AM (#351713)
    (User #4798 Info)
    • Re:lol by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday May 04 2010, @11:38AM
    • Re:lol by Roky74 (Score:1) Tuesday May 04 2010, @03:24PM
      • Re:lol by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday May 06 2010, @08:19AM
  • Let's hope it won't take five years before Steven has 'forgiven' Stephen. Can't wait any longer for the remasters! (Double disk editions like The Buzzcocks did: album and singles from the same period on one disk, sessions and demo's on the other. Just a thought!)
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @11:58AM (#351721)
  • Stephen I think if you would ask for permission before planning anything, it would have been fine. The artist (Morrissey) knowing what this is about could apreciate why its being done. Specially when you worked together, and you know eachother.

    For us fans we are always playing music freely to our friends and foes and post it around the Net share whats not ours. That gets him more fans nothing wrong with that. Its different.

    Yes the program isnt about them its about the Producer. But without their work you have nothing to present. You take some, you have to give some, and doesnt have to be Money or Credit for what you do. Just simple communication. Mutual Agreement.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @12:38PM (#351729)
  • That's it. There aint no deal. Moz probably wants something out of it for it.
    He's being abit of a mardarse.
    it's probably that time of the month. He should have sucked on his goats cheese and thought it over abit more.
    Get's me how he allowed the talented Street to publish his personal letter on his website and yet not allow this.
    Well, we can't miss what we've not had.

    Spadge -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @01:13PM (#351735)
    (User #21338 Info)
  • but I've got to say, Moz, You fucking suck. what's the big deal? Anything cool that we think will get brought about(hollywood dvd for example)involving Morrissey is ruined thanks to the man himself... stop being an old party pooper. never thought I'd actually speak against Morrissey but his antics at this age are getting a tad on the ridiculous side.
    MrTheEdge -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @01:32PM (#351737)
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  • Can't stand mis-speliing
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @01:40PM (#351738)
  • "These artists have realised that the program isn't about them..." Ahh, but it is.

    And oh how the "fans" attitude toward Morrissey changes per topic: A few words toward a deceased fan and Morrissey is the greatest man alive; a threat of lawsuit if HIS work is aired without his permission, and oh how the venom flies.

    someraincoatedlovers -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @02:36PM (#351743)
    (User #10290 Info)
  • repeat themselves?
    clumsy racism furores, isssuing injunctions against Stephen Street, sacking managers.

    what an idiot.
    if only he could realise the sheer effortless and magical superiority of Street's compositions over the generic indie stodge of the last 15 years that he has (mainly) been putting out, and attempted to build bridges, rather than indulge in this kind of ridiculous, adolescent churlishness.
    what an absolute tit.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @03:54PM (#351756)
  • ... well, that's official, then. What a shame - he arguably got Morrissey's best work out of him.

    Moz, I love you, but this seems a little churlish...
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @04:06PM (#351758)
  • Injuctions (Score:2, Insightful)

    If it's anything like "Lifeguard on Duty" or "Happy lovers united" then it's best left 6 feet under. Seeing how quick Moz was out of the gates on this BBC show possibly airing unreleased demos he must not be aware of the leak of the 2 songs I mentioned earlier. If he was he'd be slapping injunctions so fast. If nothing but for the lameness of the songs full stop. Most compliments of those recordings seem to come from people desperate to hear new material.
    marred -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @05:03PM (#351760)
    (User #16308 Info)
  • ...you lost us.

    you do a wonderful thing with the 'tribute'/letter and then you go and do something like this.

    why are you like this?

    au contraire.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @08:57PM (#351773)
  • An Observation (Score:1, Insightful)

    Morrissey, while exhibiting a heart of gold issuing a statement regarding the death of one of his most ardent fans, and then displaying such "diva-like" behavior regarding the Stephen Street radio segment, may not be a contradiction after all. I suppose he is loving and generous to those he knows are loving and admiring towards him..but when dealing with the rest of the "big bad world"...he feels the need to be defensive and possibly mean.
    He wouldn't be the first...
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @10:18PM (#351777)
  • You certainly are no stranger to the ridiculous whims and machinations of this man who is quickly becoming a parody of his own self, true?

    What you must have gone through? I shudder to think!

    THANK YOU - for a collection of brilliant songs this weirdo couldn't have produced without you or, at least, an army of genies!!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @10:19PM (#351778)
    • Re:Mr Street by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday May 11 2010, @04:11AM
  • Morrissey

    he coul've played an unknown song from Blur also,
    as he produced at least 2 albums plus Graham Coxon solo

    he could have played a bit a not yest released album from , I'm nost sure, but thought the Kaiser Chiefs, he worked with Pete Doherty

    why just moaning over that album

    cheering Steven?, no
    Stephen another stab in the back
    Celibate Cry <[email protected]> -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @01:00AM (#351785)
    (User #220 Info)
    and the hills are alive with celibate cries
  • It's all a bit sad and bitter really. Moz must bathe in vinegar every morning. If only he looked better preserved. I think it was that old racist Enoch Powell who said that all political careers end in failure. Let's face it, all musical careers end in irrelevance - Lou Reed, David Bowie, Morrissey - it's sad but it's the nature of the beast. I hope Moz doesn't make another album - Years of Refusal was just about ok but I would hate to see him release something truly awful.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @01:35AM (#351789)
  • Typical! (Score:0, Flamebait)

    Go crawl back into the rock you've been under you old boot. Or better yet, go into psychoanalysis once and for all and finally get off the stage and stay off. Heaven knows it's been long overdue. You were a fantastic artist in... 1991, but not now!
    Anonymous -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @05:43AM (#351806)
    • Re:Typical! by mcrickson (Score:1) Wednesday May 05 2010, @08:37AM
      • Re:Typical! by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday May 05 2010, @09:08AM
        • Re:Typical! by rattlemybones (Score:1) Wednesday May 05 2010, @09:22AM
        • Re:Typical! by mcrickson (Score:1) Wednesday May 05 2010, @10:13AM
          • Re:Typical! by lainey (Score:1) Wednesday May 05 2010, @02:20PM
            • Re:Typical! by mcrickson (Score:1) Wednesday May 05 2010, @02:26PM
              • Re:Typical! by lainey (Score:1) Wednesday May 05 2010, @03:11PM
              • Re:Typical! by Anonymous (Score:0) Wednesday May 05 2010, @09:23PM
              • Re:Typical! by mcrickson (Score:1) Wednesday May 05 2010, @04:00PM
              • Re:Typical! by mcrickson (Score:1) Thursday May 06 2010, @12:30PM
    • Re:Typical! by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday May 06 2010, @04:53AM
      • Re:Typical! by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday May 06 2010, @05:21AM
    • Re:Typical! (Score:2, Interesting)

      Street thought he was the only one with whom
      Morrissey could work, and be succesfull

      well Mr Street found out very soon after Viva Hate,Morrissey can be produced by anyone who he
      wants to.

      the 1992 Your Arsenal produced by Mick Ronson
      [RIP]was as succesfull as Viva Hate, I'm not debating about quality, but it got major media attention and a succesfull tour, well his tours always are, even without a recorddeal :)

      OTOH Street went on, and did a lot of producing and till today still doing his job,, with a lot
      of well selled albums
      Celibate Cry <[email protected]> -- Thursday May 06 2010, @07:42AM (#351901)
      (User #220 Info)
      and the hills are alive with celibate cries
  • My God … you things are really angry again. Weren’t you all just professing how wonderful Morrissey is, how much you all love him, etc. Now not even two days later, you are reverting back to thinking you all are tormenting him. And why? I’ll tell you why. Because, because Morrissey has hired his team of attorneys, which is really in actuality, none of any of your hypocritical thing’s business. Wow man -- he hired his attorneys. Should he have consulted you first? Is that why you are mad? It wasn’t on true to you, was it … Noooo. It’s not like Morrissey wanted his private business splashed on here for you things to scream your heads off about and devise more ways to think you are tormenting him.
    First of all, you have not gotten to him. And you can’t. Morrissey is “Bigger than Life”. Most of you all to him, most of you are like starfish, jellyfish … washed up upon the shore. You are just “there”. You are like the measles. Most of you are just meaningless to him. It’s not like it used to be and he sees the psychology of it all.

    Talk about “shifting gears“. You things are beyond hypocritical back stabbers, confused ” fans” with nothing better to do than wash your starfish, jellyfish selves onto the shores, rocks, and tides and linger … so desolate.

    I just can’t wait until Morrissey’s birthday on May 22nd to come here and see the switch. And how you things shall float back on here to praise him, worship the ground he walks on, while maintaining how much you all “love” him.
    Kate2828 -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @09:17AM (#351832)
    (User #12664 Info | http://www.morrissey-solo.com/)
  • you say "that throughout all the other episodes including artists such as Paul MacCartney, Holland, Dozier, Holland (Motown), Bruce Springsteen and Phil Collins, rough demos have been played with their blessing"

    the important part here being "with their blessing" - it woulds appear that these people were actually asked first. - why didn't you ask morrissey first? - that would have been the right thing to do stephen

    instead you allowed this programme to be advertised as featuring these "morrissey exclusives" - trading on his name.
    and it also turns out you had offered up for publication some private "work in progress" versions of songs which you don't fully own.
    if i made an album with you stephen and you then played my early vocal takes on national radio without asking i would be horrifed - its only natural

    how unprofessional of you - and then you are surprised at an injunction?

    seems like its you that hasn't changed stephen - you are thoughtless and rude - why?
    Smilersmile -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @10:29AM (#351840)
    (User #22479 Info)
  • Come on people - grow up. There is nothing wrong with a bit of healthy criticism - or even a bit of good old fashioned bitching. Moz is not exactly alien to being a bit bilious himself, as evidenced by his comments over the years about Madonna, Elton John, Jamie Oliver...etc. etc. The list is endless. A man who can afford to pay a team of lawyers ready to slap injunctions on any Tom, Dick or Stephen doesn't need you to defend him like a bunch of sycophantic lemmings.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @11:48AM (#351846)
  • really? oh behave
    deary me moz
    Anonymous -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @03:02PM (#351862)
  • I'm pretty sure I have these already. The 'dial a cliche' demos? Surprised nobody has posted them yet.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @03:55PM (#351868)
  • In the documentary "Jewel in the Crown" Street clearly talks about their falling out after Viva Hate. He's very aware that this would be more than a simple request of Moz. There's a reason he didn't ask, and it's probably because he knew what the answer would be.

    I agree with anonymous above. This is the business-side that we as fans are just being used in a publicity tug-of-war when it's all aired out like this.

    BBC should've just removed the mention of the demos and Street could've still shined in Moz's glow speaking professionally about his work with him while discussing formally released tracks (which BBC would already have permission to play). Maybe it's not what Street originally envisioned, but he would've saved everyone this headache. Us included.

    Anyway, that's my two cents.
    Carry on...!

    Cheers,
    romeogirl -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @11:47PM (#351882)
    (User #2891 Info)
  • Stephen Street should have asked Morrissey to use the outtake.
    Instead, Morrissey probably found out about it airing on Radio 2 on this very website! Moz had every right to threaten legal action.
    Lets hope all of the deoms will be included on some fantastic Viva Hate remaster very very soon.
    Strutting Rooster -- Thursday May 06 2010, @12:23AM (#351885)
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    • Re:Consent by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday May 06 2010, @05:19AM
      • Re:Consent by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday May 06 2010, @02:37PM
        • Re:Consent by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday May 06 2010, @11:21PM
  • Same old (Score:1, Insightful)

    ...boring anti-Moz rants from the usual suspects. If he means so little to you, why haven't you moved on and deleted this website from your Favourites? Why do you re-visit? Why does it concern you enough to waste the time and energy posting about it...? I think we all know the answer.

    Are Moz fans really the only ones who seem to resent the hold he exerts over their lives? I never see this kind of mindless drivel on BowieWonderworld or any of the other big fansites.

    Anonymous -- Thursday May 06 2010, @08:24AM (#351905)
    • Re:Same old (Score:2, Insightful)

      Me? I don't mind the hold Morrissey has on my internal landscape. I Love it. I do. And I Love him.

      Peronsonally I think that like ninety five percent of these things come here and psychologically abuse Morrissey because of something totally different. Morrissey was set up in my opinion,by the "enemy" in or ar ound 2007 if I recall rightly. I believe that the magazine had an agenda to ruin Morrissey's reputation and career.Most people, like well how do you call these things people by the way they are to him...But then most people ARE conformists and I fully believe that the "enemy" caused this. The proof is in the timing.
      Kate2828 -- Thursday May 06 2010, @09:59AM (#351906)
      (User #12664 Info | http://www.morrissey-solo.com/)
      • Re:Same old by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday May 06 2010, @11:23AM
        • Re:Same old by mcrickson (Score:1) Thursday May 06 2010, @12:38PM
          • Re:Same old by Anonymous (Score:0) Thursday May 06 2010, @01:11PM
    • Re:Same old by Anonymous (Score:0) Saturday May 08 2010, @05:54AM
      • Re:Same old (Score:3, Funny)

        It can’t be that, because the lyrics “it takes guts to be gentle and kind” are from The Smiths. Like I said, it’s all about the timing. The “fans” started to turn against Morrissey in ways that I think are unspeakable. The “fans‘” comments, responses, actions, etc. combined with what transpired at recent concerts, I believe are a result of the NME’s article that was published in an attempt, I believe, that was orchestrated to sabotage Morrissey’s career.

        The cruel malicious comments blowing in here time and time again? The violence at recent concerts (Against Morrissey)? Well, it all began AFTER the NME published said article whereby they portrayed that Morrissey is a racist. Amongst other things, including but not limited to, immigration, libel, and other vast libelous statements.

        Also, you spoke about Morrissey’s behavior. I believe there is nothing wrong with his behavior. Morrissey is not spiteful or nasty. He does not say horrible things about others because he has never never set out to destroy any other artist’s career or reputation. Now, did he?
        Kate2828 -- Saturday May 08 2010, @07:31AM (#351944)
        (User #12664 Info | http://www.morrissey-solo.com/)
      • Re:Same old by Anonymous (Score:0) Saturday May 08 2010, @11:18AM
        • Re:Same old by Anonymous (Score:0) Saturday May 08 2010, @04:45PM
  • In the past BBC has boicoted some of Morrissey songs. So, I am glad Morrissey is against the broadcasting of those demos. In any case, he is the artist and he has all the right to decide what to do with his work. The BBC always thinks that they always have the right to do what they want. Well,... NO!
    Gejo -- Thursday May 06 2010, @10:53AM (#351908)
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    • Re:BBC radio by lainey (Score:1) Saturday May 08 2010, @11:51AM
  • in London. FYI.
    Anonymous -- Thursday May 06 2010, @02:29PM (#351915)
  • has just published a version of this statement on their website.
    Anonymous -- Thursday May 06 2010, @03:52PM (#351921)
  • ...should however be found in a dispute from years ago....

    Stephen Street, best known for his work with The Smiths in the 1980s, was listed as an engineer on the Smiths' albums "Meat Is Murder" and "The Queen Is Dead". Street was also credited as a producer on the Smiths' final album, "Strangeways, Here We Come". Street has a reputation for producing commercially viable music. As his role became increasingly prominent on the Smiths' studio albums, their sound evolved from the relatively cheap production of their Street-less eponymous debut to the polished sound of Strangeways, "Here We Come".

    Street collaborated with Morrissey on some of his most popular work after The Smiths broke up, playing instruments and co-writing songs. Morrissey ended their association apparently because of disputes regarding the royalties and alleged conversations between Street and author of controversial Morrissey texts, Johnny Rogan.

    It was not the only dispute Street had with Morrissey and/or musicians involved in a Morrissey album. Street and guitarist on "Viva Hate", Vini Reilly, had a dispute over songwriting credits. Reilly claimed to have written the majority of the tracks on the album, which Street dismissed and claimed that he wrote all of the tracks on the album and Reilly had no part to play in this. Fact is that Street was credited as producer, songwriter, guitarist, and bass guitarist on the album.

    from: http://www.side-line.com/news_commen...=44571_0_2_0_C [side-line.com]

    someraincoatedlovers -- Monday May 10 2010, @11:56AM (#351976)
    (User #10290 Info)
  • You apparently! you care enough to come here and write about it.

      washed up old fucker, you say?
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 04 2010, @03:39PM (#351752)
    • Re:who cares by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday May 04 2010, @04:05PM
    • Re:who cares by mcrickson (Score:1) Wednesday May 05 2010, @11:13AM
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  • Your opinion is tiresome.
    mcrickson -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @01:19PM (#351853)
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  • I dont know what the hell you are talking about if stephen had problems with moz and he wants to put something out there that they both worked on he should at least ASK.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday May 05 2010, @02:23PM (#351858)
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