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Comments / Notes
I just fell sad that this comes on because the annoucement of Latin America dates.... (sigh!). The question should be: "Do you think Morrissey fans think their prejudice will keep them warm tonight?".
Peace, Love and Harmony... maybe in the next world, maybe in the next world.
Besides of everything what makes me truly happy is "Morrissey is coming to 4 brazilian dates and I'll be there; and I hope you all, (including Australia)might see him soon".
God bless you all
Marco <[email protected]>
Brasil - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 08:42:46 (PST) | #1
Oh.... and another thing... if you voted for it means you're judgemental towards Morrissey fan... You see? There's no way out... there's no point in it... Why giving so much importance to this?
Come on, I want to know about more important things about Morrissey....
Marco <[email protected]>
Brasil - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 08:46:07 (PST) | #2
Has the board sunk to a new low or what? C'mon haven't a lot of us gotten older?
Jody <[email protected]>
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 08:47:48 (PST) | #3
I really don't care, it has nothing to do with my interest in Morrissey
jack
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:06:22 (PST) | #4
I've seen the extremes...gentle and kind vs. vile and vulgar. But does it matter? No.
Maribel <[email protected]>
California - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:10:47 (PST) | #5
Judgemental? Maybe. Is everyone entitled to express their opinion? Yes. Does this poll have anything to do with all of our love of Morrissey? No.
Mute001 <[email protected]>
San Jose, CA - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:30:38 (PST) | #6
It really makes no difference to me... Where I live, even learning of another Morrissey fan (let alone meeting one!) within 20 miles of myself is amazing.
Duncan The Shammy <[email protected]>
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:37:47 (PST) | #7
I believe that the majority are very snobby and judgemental. It seems like most people want Morrissey all to themselves, as part of some clique, as though they have found something so unique that they have forgotten how to share. They think that they are so "special" and don't want to let others onto their "secret" because they are now somehow so "different" and have some kind of new "insight" and "lifestyle". The music is for everybody, meaning all races are welcome to enjoy his music. And there should be no debate, no debate, no debate.....
Buck toothed girl from Luxembourg
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:43:04 (PST) | #8
Who cares? I hate you all. Most of all I hate the ones who say "why can't we all get along", "morrissey is about love", blah blah blah. Boo-hoo. You are all a bunch of whiny crybabies. If I never meet another Morrissey fan, I will be none the worse for it. How's that for judgmental??
hated for hating
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 09:55:26 (PST) | #9
sadly, many morrissey fans ARE snobby and pretentious and unpleasant... having been a fan for almost 15 years, i have met far more foolish, pretentious, arrogant and hypocritical morrissey "fans" than i have cool ones...which is sad.i won't name names...not today anyway. maybe this makes ME judgmental, but hey, when faced with truly unpleasant people, one tends to judge them as unpleasant.
sdavenport
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 10:09:21 (PST) | #10
WHAT DOES IT MATTER, IF EVERYONE IN THE WORLD IS A BASTARD? YA DON'T NEED TO LIKE MORRISSEY. SPINELESS BASTARDS ALL!a thousand gold doubloons to the person who brings me the head of brittany spears.
DeBbie <[email protected]>
Canada, baby, yeah! - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 10:50:45 (PST) | #11
i got head from brittany spears....
perschnickety
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 11:11:34 (PST) | #12
Morrissey fans in Canada/US are very competitive, snobby, etc. I haven't found this to be the case in other cultures.
MT
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 11:19:33 (PST) | #13
Thereīs no difference in being a Morrissey fan. This is the human nature after all. The human is vile.
Carlos
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 11:45:26 (PST) | #14
eh...haahaa this is really funny. OK, now, what would Morrissey do in a Poll like this?? a)say "eh...what?" B) "EH...um...what?" or C) "eh...um...what?"
BOYRACER99 <[email protected]>
miami - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:12:18 (PST) | #15
Well, we know Morrissey, although not anti-social, does not, shall we say, mingle. I think he would avoid all this judgemental behaviour from his fans like the plague. Why anyone wants to "own" someone is beyond me...I have enough trouble looking after myself! Imagine Morrissey's life before the Smiths, as he described it. He was quite anonymous, despite his shining brilliance. No one cared tuppence for him, then; but as with anyone in the limelight he is very much in demand. I sometimes think about famous people before they became famous ~ they may have been a bit like us. Morrissey certainly knew this a long, long time ago. The person next door to you may be the next "Elvis", and the world will try to own him...better get your foot in the door before then, so you can beat the crowd! Just a thought...
J. Razor
San Francisco - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:36:53 (PST) | #16
Is there anything wrong with being judgemental? There are too many people in this world. You canīt possibly like or agree with them all. It would be a boring world, if everyone agreed about everything. So letīs agree to disagree!
Struzzi <[email protected]>
Reykjavik, Iceland - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 13:15:13 (PST) | #17
Great poll, David. The best one until now.Most of Morrissey fans are snobby and pedant. Do you want a proof? Go to the Discussion Board and say you like Alanis Morissette's albums. You'll see what I am talking about.
Fabricio <[email protected]>
Curitiba - Brazil - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 13:20:12 (PST) | #18
(Here is a poll that was presented to MOZ himself- results below!!!)Question: Morrissey, how do you feel your "fans" are towards you and your music? A.) They constantly feel the need to talk about which of my records is the best- and the WORST. They obsess over every word I've ever been quoted as speaking, and demand an explaination whenever I meet them- when I really didn't mean anything other than what I said. And they call me a racist- based on where my tour Itiniery takes me. B.) My fans are all just delightful examples of what humanity should be. C.) I don't really care as long as they buy my records!! results: evil psuedo moz look-a-likes:
A: 53% B: 22% C: 1% Morrissey's evil twin brother:
A: 5% B: 66% C: 30% Morrissey's mum:
A: 40% B: 0% C: 60% Morrissey himself:
er...um...what?
Duncan The Shammy <[email protected]>
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 13:20:15 (PST) | #19
fabrico, and buckedtoothed girl hit the nail on the head here, not much else that can be said, except, everyone calm down, he's just a singer, I love him too, but he's just a singer
Niko <[email protected]>
Buffalo, New York - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 13:54:03 (PST) | #20
I believe it is only the latter generations of fans who are guilty, In the early days...all of The Smiths fans were united in their interest because it was so unpopular to be a fan. Now to be a Morrissey fan is viewed as more of a fashion statement than anything real or genuine....it is all about who has the most posters or that rare B-Side you can't find anywhere. Take me back to Dear ol' Blighty!
Jack The Ripper
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 14:44:56 (PST) | #21
Like all you pimpdaddy's know, tha' big Dawg M.C. Moz is why I am a big fan. To be tha shiznit o' truth, i gotsta O'mit that Morrissey fans for the majority, theyselves know that they'ze ways too judgemental! When I grew up on the north side of the projects in Woodbridge New (givit up to mah homies) Jersey, I said momma, I gonna be as good as Tha Moz. She beat the living shiznits out of me and my dad capped my ass. But here I be, The Greasetea fan ya'll loves and the one I loves is Moz. You go brutha, Peace out!
Greasetea <only for members of greasetea world order>
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 14:50:17 (PST) | #22
Go on wif yo bad-ass self, Greasetea! I backs up my brothers an' sisters of da ghetto, la raza, da hood, la barrio, et. al. Uh-huh, ain't nobody gonna beat the love for da Man, Morrissey, outta me no how! I loves who I loves, an' I ain't shame!
J. Razor
San Francisco - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 15:35:04 (PST) | #23
morrissey fans are people...
people tend to have many sides/faces/
constitutions of personality...
there really is no use in generalizing...one thing about the more political fans
that ticks me would be their dogmatic
interpretations of Morrissey's views... but then, they are working through their
own issues via his politics... think for yourself and refuse to take on
opinions of others w/out first considering
and debating the issue for yourself...
texaho
out there - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 15:41:12 (PST) | #24
Welly Welly Welly, Look I don't care who you are where you come from, your race or color or whatever, ALL PEOPLE ARE JUDGMENTAL in their own strange Way! I have had my run in with very uncoprmising Morrissey fans otherwise they suck ASS!Also I met some really cool ones! But yet you can't judge anyone over the stupid computer, you actually have to sit down and have a conversation with then and then you judge. But seriously this is getting out of hand! Look I really seriously don't care what anyone thinks of me that may sound arrogant but Its not! I feel if people have something to say they should just say it, its better out than in but also if you say too much people honestly do get hurt or angry and thats when people need to realize that people have feelings and the truth hurts! If people think of me as being ditzy or just some nit wit that has two brain cells, I seriously don't care! At the end of the day I realize that PEOPLE (mostly 85%) Do SUCK! But I live with it! Sorry if im such a Chatter Box, I just needed to get that off my chest! Well thanks everyone! Good-Bye For Now!Anna "Judge not other unless you Judge yourself"
BOB MARLEY
R.I.P.
Anna Serrano <[email protected]>
El Paso, Texas aka El Hell Hole - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 17:27:38 (PST) | #25
"We are the last truly British people you will ever know.....and so on...."Arent we all a bit judgemental?? If we werent, we wouldnt be human....I doubt the music has anything to do with behaviour...
Mauricio <[email protected]>
New York City - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 17:47:55 (PST) | #26
The main problem with my fellow Mozzers is that they are always trying to prove they are bigger fans than I am. This attitude is something one would expect from children, not from adults! Get a life people
anon
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 19:19:04 (PST) | #27
Yes, some of us are snobby and look down to others, but we do that because we can. If not us, then who?
Alarcon <MichaelAlarcon2>
Orange County, CA - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 19:23:10 (PST) | #28
I think it all depends on the individual, not all
moz fans are judgemental, some are. But iam generalizing and saying that moz fans have a lot
in common and they tend to be kinda over-emotional
and possesive, they love him so much they feel like, well no one else can like him..but we must share, because we're not alone and there will never be a time when we're liking things that
no one else likes. So i think everyone should relax and try to be kind, but if your naturally
judgemental, like i am, i admit it, i am terribly
judgemental..there's no way you can change that, just try to think before you say things and this applys to everyone and non-moz fans, think before
you say things, try to understand other people's
views..love,
Moz Gurlie
Moz Gurlie <Moz [email protected]>
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 19:24:18 (PST) | #29
i think its not a matter of being pretentious or not for most people. i thinks it more a matter of this is the one thing i know way to much about and like anything else if you do enough research you can support any theory you feel like. which coupled with the basic human need for nitpicking turns the discussion board to its present state.
3 of swords <[email protected]>
mad - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 19:36:43 (PST) | #30
I feel a certain kinship, with someone who listens to Moz. Even if I've just met that person. It always makes for good conversation. We need not be rash towards each other, but instead share in the beauty.
DaperGent <[email protected]>
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 19:41:18 (PST) | #31
I think that the main problem is the quick and anonymous (or at least distant) communication made possible by the internet. It's not anything like real human interaction and it allows a person to take on a different personality allowing him or her to vent his or her spleen or worst feelings. Whatever legitimate cause for the hatred and anger , it expresses itself in the worst form because of this anonymity or distance. However, the anger may have a legitimate cause. If a person lives in the world without feeling fury, he or she is sleepwalking. So it is just as nasty to take the condescending position that castigates any viciousness as something necessarily utterly mindless or base. Sympathy is required.
Plutarch
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 19:45:53 (PST) | #32
All of the Morrissey and Smiths fans that I know here in L.A. are really cool people, but when I come to morrissey-solo and read the comments, most of you seem rude and snobby (you Frank Shankly's!). I don't care though, it doesn't affect my feelings towards Morrissey, I'm still a huge fan.
Bigmouth <[email protected]>
SAN FER.VALLEY, CA - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 20:29:00 (PST) | #33
Like, quit being so judgemental you guys.
swampy
- Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 21:09:58 (PST) | #34
The question you should be asking when you meet these Apostles is" Will my name still be on your guest list?"
Pancha <popularstatus@1999_yahoo>com>
MI - Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 21:33:34 (PST) | #35
For the past few years, I have been totally isolated from anything related to Morrissey or even his fans - I didn't even know anybody who "liked" his music, or even heard of him. It had always been my dream to fill my life, if not with Morrissey himself, then with people who enjoyed his music and him as a person as much as I do. My only contact with anyone who is a Morrissey fanatic is thru the internet, and yet in the six or so months that I've been trying to find someone to connect with, if only on the level of a distant friendship, I have yet to find even that. Maybe it's me who's the judgemental one? I always thought Morrissey fans were the kindest, most wonderful people in the world. Yet I feel like an outcast amongst "my own" people. Sometimes I think even Morrissey would not like me, and that would be the greatest devastation.
Courtney <[email protected]>
Albuquerque, New Mexico - Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 00:38:17 (PST) | #36
I have been to a couple "Morrissey Nights", and many concerts (the former is where I made most of my observations, as it is hard to talk at a concert), and can truthfully say there are many broken and bitter Morrissey fans. Perhaps they have been abused for so many years that we can never expect them to be well-adjusted, friendly people. Maybe this frustration will find a higher expression in art, who knows? But hopefully Morrissey's recordings are only some of the brilliant gems, bright as they may be, in your dazzling music collection... classic jazz (Miles, Coltrane etc.), classical (Debussy, Chopin, etc.), rock (e.g. David Bowie), new wave, blues, uplifting drum n bass, Detroit techno, Chicago house, ad infinitum.
jpvegan <[email protected]>
chi-town - Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 02:14:58 (PST) | #37
are you all psycho?
hallå??
what a totally stupid question! don't you have other things to worry about in your lives then maybe you should be thankful for how problemfree your lives are?
or?
(and by this i'm not in any way trying to say that i have a tragic life story. i am as happy as i can be except when i see polls like these)
ulrika
- Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 04:49:27 (PST) | #38
I didn't make this up to cause any problems. I just add ideas for polls here & there not expecting them to be used. Because I suggested this poll it doesn't mean I believe that the fans are snobby. I gave more than one option. I have just heard people say that before so I was wondering how many people really thought so. If people do get offended by this, sorry, but than again maybe you shouldn't waste your time responding to it.
Melissa <[email protected]>
Philly PA USA - Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 06:45:30 (PST) | #39
eh????what? haahaa...HEY, THIS POLL IS THE BEST!!!!! haahaahaahaa... Moz hates you all!!!! he could care less if you killed each other!!! as long as we buy his music, he is a happy man!!! in conclusion, what moz would say to all this...
eh...um...what?
BOYRACER99 <[email protected]>
miami - Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 08:13:20 (PST) | #40
THIS POLL IS THE STUFF DAYTIME TALKSHOWS ARE MADE OF.SEE A THERAPIST.
ESTEBAN FUERTES
MANCHESTER. ENGLAND - Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 09:12:41 (PST) | #41
You need to add another choice "Yes, but only on this site"
Our Hank
- Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 10:07:27 (PST) | #42
JPVEGAN: Have you peeking into my record collection?! I dig those chaps Coltrane, Miles, Chopin (Nocturnes & Ballades), Debussy AND Ravel. Very cool - I was wondering the same thing: does anyone out there dig another scene besides Morrissey? The Jazz scene would not see this kind of pettiness; those cats be INTO the music, ya dig?Courtney: Remember you have yourself, and you sound like a cool person. I know how you feel, but don't give up, you will connect with the right friends you feel comfortable around. Plutarch: INDEED! Anna Serrano: 85%? On some days less, on others, more. Moz Gurlie: You go, Gurlie! Spot on! Texaho: I agree...cultivate your own garden!
J. Razor
San Francisco - Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 10:28:29 (PST) | #43
I'm so glad to grow older, to move away from those younger years.
Rain coated lover's puny brother
Monaco - Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 11:31:07 (PST) | #44
Somebody posted a poem to the Morrissey web site and it was absolutely torn to shreds.
Maybe the Morrissey web site is not the place to post your emotional and poetic outbursts but surely not everyone had to destroy this individual's offering?
I feel that all Morrissey fans have something in common and could develop friendships out of this but we all seem to hate the fact that others like him. Maybe we all want him entirely to ourselves?
Michael <[email protected]>
- Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 11:54:32 (PST) | #45
You wouldn't be asking this question if it weren't an issue.The majority of people are small-minded. It is not exclusive to Morrissey fans. In other words, no one should be surprised to find idiocy here. It abounds to every corner of the world. Get used to it.
Unloveable <[email protected]>
- Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 12:17:34 (PST) | #46
angles
stretching for onward milesweapons
used to defend my pride horror
against the will to see all this war
that lays around me
Steven
- Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 15:12:50 (PST) | #47
I DO,
I FAVOR TO
IMMIX THEN BAPTIZED
BE IN DUAL OCEANS
OF YOUR MOCHA TINTED
TITIAN EYE POTIONSAND THINGS TORE ON
AND ALL I SAW
AND ALL I WAS(!)
"THE LOWEST OF THE LOW"
TATOOS OF BRUISES
ABOUT THE KNEES
ALL OTHER ABUSES
MOST NEVER SEES
ONE DAY NICOTINE
ANOTHER, CAFFINE
WAS IT ALWAYS SO?
DID YOU EVER STRAY
EMOTE AND WITH REVERIE
TOO FAR AND AWAY
TO HEAR THE REVILLIE
ANNOUNCE THE FRAY?
NO
IM NOT THE FIRST
WHOS SIMPLY UPSET
WANTING SUNRISES
WITHOUT SUNSETS
Steven <SHE HAS CARMINE SUN LIPS & WHITE CLOUD Skin>
- Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 15:14:29 (PST) | #48
My new labor saving device. . . . . . .
11/30/98 4:57 am
Life keeps on happening hence
life as I learned as
I understand, is suspense
from day to day
from hour to hour
permanent, tolerable uncertainty
This I reconize and protect
what comes next?
rank and file
Please me with anything
but civilized living
while pleasure overtakes me
lifes disasters accumulate
like they do in the wild
all just then I'm thinking
mistakes make for such
a good if short living
I've learned to
lazily side step
practical problems
and outright exposure
someones terms and not yours
-How will you be brave
when only wonderful things
happen to you?!
get down to earth!
dont risk anything!
one becomes one!
seize or relinquish forever!
the short of it!
far from conquering all
love only avoids!
I agree but have little time
for anything else
Steven <SHE HAS CARMINE SUN LIPS & WHITE CLOUD Skin>
- Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 15:18:45 (PST) | #49
Yes, (most) Morrissey fans are judgemental, but wait: a) almost every band has a very snobby fanbase who think they are the band/artist's only "true" fans. As an even bigger fan of the Manic Street Preachers than Morrissey (ooh, I bet you really hate me now), I can tell you that a lot of Manics fans are just as snobby as Moz fans (maybe even more). If you've gotten into the Manics after 1996, then, supposedly, you cannot be a "real" fan. Never mind the fact that I'm only 16 and live in America (where the Manics greatest album was never even released), I'm still not a "real" fan, and Morrissey fans treat me pretty much the same way. And this is really sad, cos the whole point of Moz (and the Manics as well) is to provide a sense of belonging to people who may feel like society's outsiders, but the elitist attitude of most fans makes you feel like even more of an outsider (like Courtney said before). And b) this has absolutely nothing to do with Morrissey or his music, and is quite irrevelant, except to inflame even more hatred. And don't hate me too much, cos there's already enough people who do...it's so easy to laugh, it's so easy to hate, it takes strength to be gentle and kind...
Lux
suburban hell - Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 15:20:47 (PST) | #50
Razor,People Suck Most of the time! I wonder if there will ever be day were everyone would just get along and shut the hell up! Damn what is this world coming to! Maybe I just don't understand! Yeah I feel that some Morrissey fans are very snobby and totally don't give me the time of day to get to talk about the one thing we like ( Morrissey)! But yet I meet some really cool Morrissey fans off and online! Basically this poll is kind of a good one cos I feel that this is one of those thing where everyone gets to know each others feelings and POV on life, and I think that is Super! I've meet those Morrissey fans that think they are the only ones in the world that Love the guy and his music but you know what I think they SUCK ASS! But thats about it for me! Well C-ya everyone for now! Anna
Anna Serrano <[email protected]>
El Paso, Texas aka El Hell Hole - Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 17:49:04 (PST) | #51
It's just my opinion, but I don't think the two poems just above this post were written by the same person. The first flowed rather well, if affectedly; the second seemed a tad clumsy and self-centered. If they are by the same person, I shall be amazed.
Somebody's nose <loveme@loveyou>
- Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 21:33:49 (PST) | #52
I always liked The Smiths because nobody around me did. I loved the songs, I felt they were made for me, only for me.
Do you know what I mean? I even cry sometimes when I hear songs like Break Up The Family, Well I Wonder, Seasick, yet still docked. (just sometimes...)
And that's why everybody whined about the Latin gigs. "What??? What the hell is he going to do in South America? They don't understand him, not like I do!!!! They don't feel the songs like I do."
You know, I don't blame anyone for saying that because I think I AM the only one in this entire idiot world who can really feel his songs.
And I think that a real fan have to be not only snobby but also emotionally a little sick.
Eureka!
The Answer: Everybody Is Sick :)ps.:About prejudice opinions? Nobody is saint, we all have our prejudices, I have so many when I pass near the favelas(poor houses) here in Rio, and if you are emotionally sick... well...
Please Morrissey, make it Rio!!!
Am I still ill? - Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 21:59:43 (PST) | #53
of course morrissey fans are judgemental, and i'm proud of it. moz fans on the whole tend to be far more educated then there top 40 brethren, in that we commonly feel robbed when our favourite artists suddenly become media darlings. (not that morrissey isn't revered by many in the media: the difference with the moz being that he earned his stripes through years of experience and brilliance). but still our allegiance to morrissey transcends to admiration of other artists we proudly listen too (knowing that others have yet to catch on: this happens to me all the time). so go ahead and call us snobby! the masses are simply jealous of us. considering they are still listening to poison or mr. big and wearing acid wash jeans.
greg fry <[email protected]>
- Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 22:09:10 (PST) | #54
I don't really think a person should be a snob to like Moz' lyrics. One's only got to feel the beauty of the words sung.
Alexey <[email protected]>
Russia, Murmansk - Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 02:49:23 (PST) | #55
eh...what???
BOYRACER99 <[email protected]>
miami - Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 08:25:43 (PST) | #56
Not as snobby as the Stereolab crowd, but snobby nevertheless.
w.
boston, ma - Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 09:26:58 (PST) | #57
Yes, I have had my experience with the ultra snobby Morrissey fan...those 30 year old folks who think anyone younger than them can not appreciate Morrissey or The Smiths because they have "loved" him longer. As well as those people who are upset because Morrissey is crooning to his Latino based crowd...get over it I say. Worrying about our precious Mozziah going mainstream? Well my dears it will not happen...and as far as his fan base getting larger, hurrah! I find that wherever I go, the interest in Morrissey is a unifying topic. That intense love I felt at Coachella toward Morrissey did not issue from bitter old smithees but younger, vibrant and mostly Latino based crowd. It was a beautiful experience...nothing was more apparent than the admiration for the salford lad.
Morrissey is my number one priority for music, but he is not the only one...how narrow a view to have. The man listens to other bands other than himself!I just feel the people supporting this current tour are his fans...AND those that come after...how horrid for Morrissey to be forgotten when he passes on and this generation dies. That is thankfully, all.
JC ("I'm not Jesus, though I have the same initials")
Jarvis Christ
- Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 10:37:20 (PST) | #58
I Am Very Snobby And Judgemental And Proud Of It! I Hate Certain Types Of "Fans", They Suck And They Are Not Really Fans. I Like The Old School Crowd That Wore Levis, T-shirts And Cardigans With A Pair Of Old Docs. The Shy Reserved Crowd. Those Were The Days. The New Crowds Suck Buttocks! I Wont Change My Mind LALALALALALALALA...
Blue Cardigan
Los Angeles, California - Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 10:44:24 (PST) | #59
Hey... I just want you all to know that Alain is the stud okay! And no I am not judgemental. I think all the fans are some of the greatest people I know, and I am glad to meet them when I can. I also think that this question is not really valid because we all share something in common, MORRISSEY! And that is in itself something that unites us.
Brandi <[email protected]>
- Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 10:48:56 (PST) | #60
Duh! Just browse around this site for about two seconds and you'll see how judemental, snobbery and idiotic some of these prepubescent teens covered in acne can really be. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a really big zit to pop on my chin.
patti o'furniture
- Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 12:37:39 (PST) | #61
No! In fact, on line just today in NYC for tix I met Karen and Alex, who were nice and more than happy to hold my place in line while I ran to get coffee. Everybody there was friendly!! It's those Dream Theater fans we gotta watch out for...Watt White
Watt White <[email protected]>
New York, NY - Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 13:41:11 (PST) | #62
I think you can replace the word snobby with
IGNORANT!!!!
Kill Uncle fan
- Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 15:16:30 (PST) | #63
MORRISSEY IS VERY SNOBBY AND JUDGEMENTAL.
If you thought MALADJUSTED was a horrible
album, wait till you hear the new album
"IRISH BLOOD ENGLISH HEART"
Since EL VEZ is one of Morrisseys biggest
influences now, I think I'll just wait till it
pops up in the used section.
Get Off The Stage
- Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 15:40:32 (PST) | #64
I think you all are a bunch of stupid gits and morrissey wouldn't like any of you,i also think you all smell like that man who got is head stuck in that elephants butt!!!
aaron conley <[email protected]>
- Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 16:05:58 (PST) | #65
MORRISSEY, your just so cool and your the best in the world.
Bigmouth <[email protected]>
Los Angeles - Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 22:06:59 (PST) | #66
Obviously Morrissey fans can't be too judgemental if they are still obsessing over the day to day whereabouts of a has-been.
Des
- Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 00:23:24 (PST) | #67
I HATE U ALL.
PAUL LYNDE'S GHOSTWRITER
MIDWEST AMERICA - Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 01:35:57 (PST) | #68
i like cheese. no really, i enjoy cheese, and if you have read this far then you must like it too.
nabshackle
- Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 02:41:59 (PST) | #69
If you've ever been to a gig early-ish you see all kinds of frankly wierd types, desperately clinging to their little clique, sad looking fat lookalikes sneering at people who haven't given up their life to follow Moz around everywhere. These are forty year old men, and they look down on us who've got more stuff goingon. They're not friendly, they can't have a conversation which isn't about train times and the third London gig better than the second...
Lynne East
- Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 07:22:37 (PST) | #70
There were three poems
first by CDS, methinks he is a good poet, second and third are by me a gluttonous hack nothing but
Painting the old King <supported by a generous National>
62 Dulwich st. Brooklyn - Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 09:42:12 (PST) | #71
You lot don't 'alf go on....
I'll tell you what - I went to the Morrissey gig in Nottingham - and if you weren't singing along, you were frowned at.
My boyfriend got me into Morrissey about 6 months ago, I don't have too many records (two Smiths and two Moz), but I've been to the Manchester 'Moz and Smiths' nights. What does it take to be a true fan?My favourite band is Hefner anyway.
Jenfa <[email protected]>
- Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 15:46:38 (PST) | #72
I think 'Hated for Hating' (#9) sums it up quite nicely.
none of your business <(see name)>
- Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 18:15:37 (PST) | #73
This question is absurd. Morrissey himself is snobby and very judgemental! So I ask this, is it right to be critisizing his fans for something that he is himself? I have met some kind people who are into his music, we may argue about which album is the best or song, but that's just the fun of it. To hear others opinions and to see what justifys them. I have also had the unpleasent experince of meeting people who are there because Morrissey has become somewhat of a trend. They want to fight, to say rude comments, and have no respect for any other person around them. But hey, Doesn't that describe the world?
Another Kill Uncle fan
- Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 18:23:07 (PST) | #74
Why do you care so much about who's being snobby who's not, it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that were here to enjoy his music. You guys are taking it too far. The only thing that matters to me is Morrissey, not the people who judge others.
Lidia villa <[email protected]>
Chicago, IL - Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 19:46:13 (PST) | #75
This is by far, the gayest poll I have ever seen.... While on the subject... Here's a poll we can take:"Is Morrissey gay?" Wink if you think yes Clap if you think no Wink and clap if you don't give a hang Jam your thumb up your arse if you actually took this poll. HAHAHAHHAHAH HAHAH HAHAHHAHAAAAAAA HAAAAHAHHAH HA HA
BIRKENHEAD
- Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 21:21:42 (PST) | #76
HOW ABOUT YOU SILLY SOTS COMMING UP WITH SOME OF YOUR OWN QUOTES YOU DOLTISH TWO FACED BUGGERS.HA HA
BIRKENHEAD
- Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 21:23:30 (PST) | #77
It's time to come clean. I've loved Morrissey for five or six years now and met countless other fans, through writing fanzines and surfing the web etc., and many of them have been pretty diehard. A part of me always wished I had the money/time to set off round the world following him and his band to the point of stalking, as some of you do, but the weekend of the Hartlepool/Glasgow gigs last year opened my eyes slightly. I came to realise that of all the hardcore fans I've met, I only think of two of them as friends. I think Lynne East's earlier comment pretty much hit the nail on the head. The impression I had been given of these people who turn up at gigs six hours before the doors open was of a group of quiet but friendly people who happened to be passionate about the same thing. In reality I felt pretty uncomfortable around them. I found the group of people I was with to be one giant clique, and the greatest irony of the situation was that you could tell EVERYONE was looking down their nose at someone and nobody seemed to like each other. Some people (who I won't name) made it blatantly clear that they didn't like me before they had even spoken to me. When I got to the barrier at Hartlepool I was ashamed to realise that although I knew the names of practically everyone in the front row, I didn't actually know any of them terribly well. The saddest thing is that you learn a lot about people you think you know when you put them it that situation. People I had previously thought of as 'friends' showed themselves to be two-faced, thoughtless and rude, and had a very strange idea of friendship. (I can be a complete and utter bitch as well, but I'm amazed I didn't hit someone that weekend.) Of course I've met some lovely, lovely people as well, but I think it's fair to say that anyone who is devoted to the level of sacrificing huge parts of their life for a pop star - no matter how wonderful he is - is lacking something fundamental.
I'm glad I've now done that whole 'queuing' bit, partly for the experience and partly so that I know how bloody pointless it is (as the bulk of the afternoon has no bearing on where you end up in the crowd) and how much I'm NOT missing. It's a shame that two of the best gigs I've ever seen (Hartlepool THE best) were placed in the context of such a bloody awful weekend. Of course it was worth it - it was Moz!!! - but honestly, if you won't speak to someone just because they've seen Moz more times than you, or met him more times than you, I'm sorry, but you've missed the point.
Alison <[email protected]>
A wondrous place - Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 04:49:17 (PST) | #78
I think you all would be selling yourselves short if you didn't honestly say that Morrissey fans are judgeMENTAL--stress on the mental...
This is not to put anybody down, but merely to say, quit being so quick to correct and compete. There is no scale that is going to weigh who has more knowledge, and who is the biggest fan and so on and so forth. This poll was a lethal one.
Time to face facts, there are a slew of know-it-alls that respond to these polls and discussions. People that make you wonder if they are leaving their comments in honor of the person who this website is indebted to, or just to come on and downplay the responses left by others, you know who you are.
Not to say you don't reserve the right to say whatever you please, but hey, you asked the question, I gave the honest answer.
Morrissey is fabuous, and I am sure we can all agree, isn't that enough, without knitpicking every little fart that comes through here???
behind the hatred, there lies a murderous desire...
CT - Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 08:13:55 (PST) | #79
In my experience,the occupational hazzard of safe-guarding your own soul, is the tendency to hold others under the scope and knife.
boyracer
- Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 12:27:01 (PST) | #80
im hungry
test tickle < >
- Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 16:22:07 (PST) | #81
It is so damn annoying when all of you idiots quote a goddamn Moz song. Birkenhead is right! Be original you buttf**ks! Moz is a fag. C'mon, we all knew that in 1983! Oh...wait. Most of you were only about 3 months old...
tim
- Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 17:13:30 (PST) | #82
I AM VERY SHY SO I'LL KEEP IT NICE AN SHORT. LET'S LOOK AT OUR LOCAL NEWS PAPER AN FIND THAT OUR SO CALLED PERFECT WORLD, HAS NO PROFOUND MANEUVER.LET'S EXCAVATE THE SCAR OF OLD, LET'S SEE WHO? WILL SHACKLE THEMSELFS TO the moz.AN LET US SEE WHO WILL OPEN THE PAPER AN BELIEVE IN VISIBLE VIOLENCE. PART 2, INELUCTABLE LOVE IS HOW I SEE OF TRUE MORRISSEY FANS.THE REST ARE JUST (lost).
D.J.KING-kutt. <[email protected]>
E.SAN JO - Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 22:49:55 (PST) | #83
Although it doesn't make any difference, i have been the subject of this pheonomenon (think that's how it's spelt!).
I wrote to the morrisseytour girls after the Liverpool concert last year, my comments were included in the review and i got loads of stick via the message board over a couple of innocent words.
The really contradictory thing is though, face to face, at the gigs, there is an enourmous bundle of love felt between the fans. It really IS strange!
Martin Phillips
Merseyside, England - Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 05:00:59 (PST) | #84
ai papi Morrissey!
hootchie mama
CT - Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 05:49:07 (PST) | #85
It sucks when everyone leaves an allocution as there comment... Its so blinking boring when everyone blathers on and on about there thoughts as if any of us cared....Tim is kinda funny because he is right... We knew in 83 that he was a fag, and most of you BF'S were still squatting.... interesting comment by alice, thought provoked Ha ha
BIRKENHEAD
- Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 19:16:01 (PST) | #86
TO BIRKENHEAD- four words: THIS IS A POLL, and like it or not, people do care, although your "blathering" was extremely low-class. Don't leave comments or partake in "polls" if you don't want to hear what people think. It's quite simple really...
Prudence NeverPays
CT - Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 09:15:56 (PST) | #87
to TIM go find a hobby...polls are not your bag.
Your Ree Tarded
- Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 09:19:11 (PST) | #88
It would be foolish of me to vote for me not caring what kinda of morrissey fans there are because i end up with them at concerts and conventions & so i've noticed what kinda of jugdemental,snobby fans there are. It irritates me to go to one of morrissey's concerts and see it like a big fashion show. What the f***!? IT'S ALL ABOUT THE EFFECT OF THE MUSIC THAT MORRISSEY PROVIDES FOR US TO FEEL! So there's no point in acting all high in mighty...
Tania <violently [email protected]>
Riverside,Ca - Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 12:47:48 (PST) | #89
this really is sad but true; most fans are insane i think. they all think morrissey will love them if they can only get in his face. give it up people, his music may love you but HE never will. so try to get along with the others around you, be glad there are others out there because god knows most everyone inhabiting this f**ked up planet is a piece of crap.i heard people in a line talking about morrissey's body hair grooming habits, VERY matter-of-factly, like they knew for sure......and as if it bloody mattered. another girl said she'd "step on my best friends head and squash her skull" to be near morrissey. pity, i'm sure morrissey would sooner crush her skull than that of his best friend. but of course that only means he's got sense and she doesn't. please, be nice to each other and stop acting like a**holes because it is very sad and very stupid. get over yourselves, please!!!!!
devil's advocate
hell on earth - Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 19:33:56 (PST) | #90
Exactly.
Alison <[email protected]>
Near the Bonnie Clyde (har har) - Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 05:29:28 (PST) | #91
I think what you have to ask yourselves is this:
Does everybody go to the tours expecting a set full Morrissey singing Smiths songs or are they there to listen to his latter day stuff?
The Smiths only released five albums, Moz had released eight (including the live one).
Work it out!
At the end of the day, Johnny Marr's got a solo career on the go and Morrissey's a tad too stubborn to reunite with him. Plus, you'll never see those two in the same room as the other two, especially Mike Joyce.
Lee <[email protected]>
England - Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 06:45:56 (PST) | #92
TO TIM & BIRKENLOSER. Your commets are so pathetic & sad. You say you don't care but who is taking their precious time to make everyone feel bad? Obviously you do care. I don't think Morrissey hates his fans. I think the people who believe that are the ones he really dislikes. Besides don't comment on others quoting Morrissey. Who the hell doesn't he quote?
Don't Plagiarize or Take on Loan
The seaside town that they forgot to bomb - Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 07:21:00 (PST) | #93
I have met some truly intereseting and kind Morrissey fans. However often times I feel people are in a competition for number one fan. "I have more rare albums, books, tee shirts, tattoos, ticket stubs etc...Quite a bit of snobbish behavior exists in the chat room of this page also.
rachel
florida - Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 10:16:55 (PST) | #94
Kill Uncle is an incredible album!!! I love this poll. Morrissey called me up himself & said he loves this poll too. He said the people who hated this poll he was going to shove a pole up their behinds. I feel bad for how many angry people there are out there. Maybe you still need this music to comfort your teenage angst. To me it is just the music I love. Am I judgemental? Oh yes I am. But only if I have a reason to be. What is yours?
A Pretty Girl Who Makes Graves
Maudlin Street - Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 10:28:06 (PST) | #95
YEAH, i AM QUITE SURE mORRISSEY CALLED YOU UP AND SAID HE WAS GOING TO SHOVE UP A POLE OF UP THEIR BEHINDS..THAT IS SUCH A PILE OF sH&&!!! YOU PEOPLE GET MORE CORNY BY THE SECOND!!
DIG A SHALLOW GRAVE AND LAY THE LAST PERSON WHO COMMENTED DOWN...
OVER THE MOORS - Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 10:37:03 (PST) | #96
Hey, you should visit this website: London Is Dead (http://fly.to/morrissey). Here you can realize how many devotional fans does Morrissey have in Chile and South america in general.
-- Congratulations to Nina Simone for her site, it's the best one in spanish. Please, give her a few awards and maybe some tickets for the show in Chile !! --
lenore <[email protected]>
Chile - Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 17:43:48 (PST) | #97
I think that there must be space for debate and intellectual discussion, since that is the basis of free-thought. Morrissey has such a great intellectual projection because he disagrees, and he also fights for this freedom.
I read now a post in a section in this site that was archived, it was from a Brazilian Morrissey fan that was afraid of all that discussion because he thought it could result in physical violence during the concert. No, it is not the same thing at all. If there is an intellectual space the debate is naturally constricted to this field, the level of thought and debate opposes violence naturally. The main task is creating a democratic space where ideas can be exchanged and debate is possible. "Love peace and harmony" yes in the sense that nobody wants fights, but we do have our right to think as individuals and the right of intellectual disagreement.
Havfine
Porto, Portugal - Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 03:53:45 (PST) | #98
Your a fag, arn't you "Don't plagiarize and take on loan"???????????sure sound like one... ffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggg "AIDS KILLS FAGS DEAD" HAHAHAHA
HA HA
BIRKENHEAD
- Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 13:04:55 (PST) | #99
BIRKENHEAD??? MORE LIKE DI**HEAD....MAYBE YOUR A REPRESSED HOMOSEXUAL WHO FEELS THE NEED TO BE "QUEER"....
AIDS KILLS FAGS DEAD??? YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING! MAY NO ONE YOU EVER KNOW DIE OF SUCH A TERRIBLE DISEASE.
E. NUFFSAID
YOU SHOULD BE BLUDGEONED IN YOUR "BIRKEN" HEAD - Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 13:36:41 (PST) | #100
I agree with E.Nuffsaid. Birkenhead, you should be ashamed with yourself...
saltine cracker
- Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 13:45:44 (PST) | #101
You think your funny, eh BIRKEN[?]Have you ever see someone die who've got AIDS Well, I have, and I can tell you one thing.
There wasn't one funny moment in it,........... YOU ARE SCUM, BIKENLOSER.
CELIBATE CRY
the netherlands - Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 18:46:10 (PST) | #102
What the HEll Birkenhead!!! What kind of an A**hole are you! Huh you watch what you say cos someday its gonna go back to you! What's wrong with homosexuals anyways? I find nothing wrong with it! AIDS is a serious and very touchy subject! So I suggest you shut your frikin' cakehole before you get whats coming to you!Anna
Anna Serrano <[email protected]>
El Paso, Texas aka El Hell Hole - Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 23:04:13 (PST) | #103
hello birkenloser!Don't Plagiarize or Take on Loan, happens to be me. A female. But your comments are truly disgusting. Disease is not a funny matter period. I really feel you should be kicked off line. You are predjudice & rude. Your comments are obviously very offenseive to many including me. I think Morrissey wrote a line so perfect for you. And since you love when people quote him..."People like you make me feel so tired. When will you die?" By the way, how old are you? For your sake I hope you are about 13. Maybe you should also leave your name so that people can e-mail you. You can dish it out but you can't take it in. You really are hopeless.
melissa <[email protected]>
Philly - Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 17:57:14 (PST) | #104
WELLWELLWELL, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EACH OF US SHARE THE SAME VIEWS ON ALOT OF THINGS BESIDES MORRISSEY. IN LIEU OF BIRKENHEAD'S RIDICULOUS REMARKS, I THANK HIM. HE HAS MADE OUR BRAINS TICK...
I AM GLAD THAT I MADE THE COMMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE- CHEERS TO YOU ALL(E.NUFFSAID)
THE UNITY OF THE POLL
A SEASIDE TOWN - Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 07:27:37 (PST) | #105
I have two comments.
One: yes Morrissey fans are judgemental, along with the rest of the human race.Two: BIRKENHEAD - E-mail me so we can arrange a meeting so I can show you the definition of violence. I'M VERY SERIOUS.
(and please no one retort with violence solves nothing...homophobia will not go away until people start showing others that they cannot say such monsterous things and get away with it. Simple.)
James (the one you all hate) <[email protected]>
Toronto, Canada - Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 20:34:19 (PST) | #106
James (The One You All Hate), I think you are my new personal hero. I agree with you whole-heartedly. Some people just might need a good bashing now and again. Thanks!
Steven <[email protected]>
East Lansing, Michigan - Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 22:54:07 (PST) | #107
It's sad that we make divisions amongst ourselves instead of coming together. We are joined by his music yet no one seems to care...
Moe <[email protected]>
Moz Angeles - Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 09:49:56 (PST) | #108
uhhhhhhhhh, here's a better poll for you all: do you think(as mozzer fans?)that this poll is really vile and has nothing to do with morrissey? um, down with the poll?here's a good one for you: who thinks that the Cure is a vile band? dont put that one down....
dean2000 <[email protected]>
calif, arse o' the world - Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 17:48:06 (PST) | #109
Hey BirkenHeadjerker, it seems as though you get off on being in ass & now you really must be feeling it cause you've gotten so much attention with the stupid remark you made. but let me ask you this if "fags die of aids" then what do Dick Heads like you die of? GROW UP!
GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS <violently [email protected]>
- Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 23:10:35 (PST) | #110
Tim...fuk you mother fukker, you suck you piece of sh-it! Yes I'm being judgmental against you, and it'a a pretty good judgement too! So you're getting old and bitter, it happens, you worthless sh-it face. Keep you negative comments about nothing to yourself.
Mute001 <[email protected] >
Sunnyvale, CA USA - Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 08:55:32 (PST) | #111
No comment...
J. Razor
San Francisco - Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 17:02:32 (PST) | #112
hey mute...
why don't you fuk off you little imbecile. what negative comments? that moz is a fag? gee what a surprise. is being gay negative? i'm surprised you didn't quote a Moz song and pass yourself as being intelligent... eat me you idiot!
tim
- Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 18:55:14 (PST) | #113
Judgemental!??? oh no...everyone has become a vicious sniping SNOB lately..very ugly and unsavoury elements have been around..this used to be a fun place to come to, but now it feels like a battlefield. More game playing than one needs in a lifetime. no THANK you
truly disappointed
- Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 20:24:09 (PST) | #114
It's not Morrissey fans that are judgemental, it's people in general that are judgemental.
BukenFag! You need to grow up! Enuff said!
Nobody's Nothing <[email protected]>
- Fri, Feb 11, 2000 at 11:44:49 (PST) | #115
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