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posted by
davidt
on Sunday June 13 2010, @10:00AM
largactil writes:
"YOUR LOSS JEW BOY" - Alleged fax from Morrissey.
Co-dependent Relationship Junkie Scott Matthew Is Happy To Be Single - BUTT Magazine Excerpt: Did you get to ever meet Morrissey through Spencer? No, I mean, they’d been feuding for ages. Still are. Do you have any good Morrissey stories? (laughs) Yeah, I got one. I don’t know if I should be telling this...
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Scott Matthew (Elva Snow) on meeting Spencer Cobrin/Spencer's Morrissey stories - BUTT Magazine
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Great Find (Score:1)
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I'm devastated (Score:1, Funny)
Oh, the horror!! The horror!!! LOL!!!
Unreliable, hateful story-- this is libel (Score:0, Flamebait)
This is awful, and an all-time low. This story is totally without merit. This is ugly defamation-- desperation for money and attention.
Am I wrong? NO.
Ken
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Anyone remember this old Moz-solo story? (Score:1)
http://www.morrissey-solo.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/12/218253 [morrissey-solo.com]
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sounds about right (Score:1)
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Wow. (Score:1, Interesting)
Also, during that time, Morrissey's actions suggested that he had an, at the very least, aesthetic relationship with British Nationalism. This can't be denied, and obviously lead to his self-exile from Britain. Siouxie Sioux even said that she hated Morrissey for standing her up at their "Interlude" video shoot, and for requesting that the cover of the record have a British Bulldog with a Union Jack draped around it.
This really set her off, since the symbol is associated with racist, British Nationalism, or "Bulldog Nationalism.
It makes you wonder about Morrissey's influences at the time; especially considering that he quickly became interested in boxing during the Jake years.
So, if it is true, all of this is an interesting corroboration.
Also, there were rumors that Morrissey liked Spencer. There's even pictures that Linder Sterling took during the Your Arsenal tour, where they can be seen frolicking under the covers. These photos were in the old "Morrissey Shot" book that Linder produced.
Also, Anti-semitism is fairly common amongst even comparably "Liberal" Brits, and Europeans. It's woven into the fabric of their societies.
One last thing: When Spencer was asked about this issue in an interview, he refused to talk about it, but left a hint that something was up. The interview is out there.
From the evidence, at the very least, something damaging occurred between the two of them.
What's the context (Score:0)
Based on not a second hand account but a third hand one. Without any context as to why it was said, if it even was. Perhaps it was an in joke between Moz and Spencer or something further that who's to say this guy was privy to.
Not to say it makes it totally fine but does change the importance of it.
But lets jump all over this story based on some nobody's third hand recollection published in such the top quality publication as BUTT.
Oh, come on! (Score:0)
I'm not one of the 'sycophants' who hangs on Morrissey's every word, but do you really think that he would call Spencer 'Jew Boy' in a derogitory way. I mean.. why would anyone think that? It was just a joke I'm sure, maybe Spencer's nick name within the band at the time... This guy, whoever he happens to be, is obviously stirring up trouble for the sake of it..
Anyone remember this old Moz-solo story? (Score:1)
http://www.morrissey-solo.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/12/218253 [morrissey-solo.com]
(Yes this is a re-post, I fail to see why my original post was marked as 'redundant' so this is getting re-posted with a 1 score. Have fun wasting your mod points on me. I will repeat as necessary or until given an explanation for the "Redundant" tag)
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Another point... (Score:2, Insightful)
Interestingly enough, Morrissey released the song as well, and form the lyrics, it seems to be a jibe towards Spencer, as was suggested in this interview with him: http://prettypettythieves.com/coconspirators/spinterview.htm [prettypettythieves.com]
"Ever since Spencer left Morrissey's band, there's been rumours popping up occasionally which haven't been particularly savoury (or sweet, for that matter). I won't air them here, as you'll have read them before elsewhere. But I had to ask... what does he make of the rumour that last year's B-side 'It's Hard To Walk Tall When You're Small' is about him? "Well, if so, there's nothing quite like being kept alive in the writings of a master wordsmith." Don't you just want to give Spencer a great big hug?"
Calm down. (Score:2, Insightful)
As somebody else has said, it could have been a long running 'in-joke' between Morrissey and the band which, once relations had soured between the two, Spencer no longer found so amusing. Also, who is to say that Spencer wasn't overdoing his 'sensitive' side a little for Scott Matthew's benefit?
Nobody on here will ever know the truth of any other the rumours that surface now and then, it was just a mildly amusing little story.
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oh well (Score:0)
Disappointed Jew.
I'm racially accosted by Morrissey , and then... (Score:1)
Until and unless Spencer can produce this fax in a manner that leaves zero doubt that Morrissey wrote it, I call bullshit. (My bet? He and his mate there smoked it.) I hope Morrissey has his attorneys standing by.
I suppose that every time Morrissey gives me the cutesy little "gay handshake" (it's on page 69 of your Gay Agenda) he's actually physically assaulting me!?!?
Someone look up the number for the GayPD. I've got a Viva Hate crime to report!
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Who cares? (Score:0)
As an atheist Jew I've been called far worse by people I regard as friends. And I humour them by being self-deprecatory about it.
Once me and a few friends watching a documentary about white supremacists in the States. They were interviewing some of these lovely people. Lo and behold the black "jokes" and insults were met in hushed silence as one of our party was/is black.
As soon as the Jewish jokes and insults came out of these white supremacists' mouths then all sorts of laughter emanated from the others I was with (and I'll admit even myself!)
"God Bless Israel" (Score:1, Insightful)
He also had writing on his arm - if I remember correctly, it was the word "Israel" in Hebrew.
There are anti-semites out there who support Israel, but they tend to be either apocalyptic Christian fundamentalists or hardcore neo-conservatives. Morrissey doesn't strike me as either one of those, so I'm guessing that this is some kind of personal thing between Morrissey and Spencer.
It's disturbing, but goodness only knows what goes on inside the man's head...
Oh, How More the Mess (Score:1, Offtopic)
This Scott Matthew. What’s in a name comes to mind and then there were two. Whoever this man is, kid, whoever it is … Was it a public, social, and moral responsibility to launch this to the whole wide world? I mean, it seems everything these days, especially pertaining to celebrities like Morrissey, everything gets sent to various websites, innumerable entities, etc. on the internet. And so here it is nonetheless. One of the hundreds, thousands stops on the internet probably before reaching it’s final destination … called “let’s continue to ruin Morrissey’s life”. Haven’t they had enough? I think, I think the Court must resolve “all” ambiguities. Then again too many to mention. The article published by the NME in 2007 that libeled Morrissey was orchestrated and pre-planned to injure Morrissey’s profession and occupation. It Bulldozered him into the ground. When does it end? It seems “there is no end”.
And who cares if he was under the covers or whatever with Spencer? When I was like ten, I used to be in my bed with my best friend. We would say to my other friend “this is how you’re supposed to do it”. And she’d kiss me and I’d kiss her. And we did it more than that. The other girl took pictures with a Polaroid camera. And we are not gay. Is it on the internet? Probably. A qualified privilege does extend to a communication made by one person to another upon a subject in which both have an interest. However, I do not use Facebook, Twitter, etc.
This alleged fax in this thread that Morrissey allegedly sent by his fax machine … and is now all over the internet, demonstrates that whoever this guy is who sent it, splattered it, which is the end result obviously all over the internet, that the statement contained in the fax; along with all the other innuendoes in the story here, were communicated with malice or with knowledge of their falsity or reckless disregard of their truth or falsity. Shouldn’t whoever this man is have consulted Morrissey first. The NME first began to allege problems with Morrissey approximately three years ago, and even before the article about immigration and Morrissey being a Racist etc.. It was the NME that suggested all of the other innuendoes, along with their Morrissey is a Racist campaign. This article was published with actual malice. Any reasonable reader would come to this conclusion.
Just can’t wait until the whole thing blows up in their faces.
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Suspicious Minds? (Score:0)
Hence an editorial decision was made to submit this as a "news article." A story about an alleged fax which is at least 10 years old accusing Morrissey of being anti-semitic!?! Told by someone who wasn't directly involved in the argument.
And we wonder why we delve so low?
(I believe the fax and its contents may be true judging by past interviews with Spencer Cobrin, but its at least 10 years ago.) IS THERE ANY POINT IN SUBMITTING THIS ARTICLE apart from to create a shitstorm?
Truly disappointed
Re:Suspicious Minds? (Score:2, Informative)
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"I don’t know if I should be telling this" (Score:1)
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What Mozipedia says about the story (Score:2, Informative)
http://torr.typepad.com/weblog/2010/06/re-spencer-fax-story.html
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Very Interesting. (Score:1, Informative)
http://torr.typepad.com/weblog/
"The Mozipedia book tells a different version of the "Spencer fax" story. In this version of events Spencer is with his wife when the fax arrives (not a boyfriend.) I've taken the liberty to type it up, here's what the book says:
Morrissey was angered enough by Cobrin's financial grievances against him to send the drummer an abusive fax message. "The fax came through and my wife, at the time, picked it up first,' says Cobrin. "She said "I don't think you should read this." When i read it, i stayed in bed for a week. I couldn't move. There's no point repeating what it said because it's all water under the bridge now, but at the time it wasn't trivial. That was it, he'd crossed the line. It was the cruelest thing you could say to anyone after working together for so long. It still upsets me, but i realise that I'm one in a long line of people who've been treated like that. If there's anything that gets Morrissey upset more than anything else, it's money." A second fax followed. "A much longer one," claims Cobrin, "but there was no apology. It was just more blame, more pointing fingers and being very childish. That was the end of it. I was persona non grata after that."
Forget about Spencer, is Alain a jew boy (Score:0, Redundant)
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Who really wants to care? (Score:1)
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hmmm (Score:0)
please (Score:1)
i think not
then again it seems late to be faxing a lot
hmm...
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Scott Matthew (Score:1)
However, I would say that Scott Matthew is a terrific musician/
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My opinion (Score:0)
drug/alcohol induced hallucination (Score:0)
So we take the word of a drunken drug user and accept this drug/alcohol induced hallucination as fact?
We all know how reliable and trustworthy those people are right?
This site should be shut down. Permanently.
Why publish this? (Score:0)
I'm trying really hard to care about this.... (Score:0)
In a word, meh. This is nothing but trouble stirring (for Morrissey in the original article and especially for it to be posted here).
Butt Magazine (Score:1, Interesting)
it's a junkie story (Score:1)
Spencer and Morrissey were more than bandmates
[remember he 'ever'spoke about pictirus taken
for fun when touring in a hotelroom, some
pics like the 'arse'one on the sleeve, seemed to be made]
Spencer wanted more artistic input,which it seemed he didn't get, or was iritated,and so not asked for the Oye Esteban Tour [he was passed
for recordings also,like Gary on Vauxhall]
Both are now ex Lads
Anyway Matthew story doesn't have full prove, or
doesn't mean a thing,as he comes not from camp Moz, and he can tell anything for some money,
he desperately need for his next fix
resume;
the BUTT story is bullocks, sorta eNeMEy but lower
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Great source! (Score:2, Funny)
I think this is more like, joking around and calling your black friend the n word or your gay friend the f word . . . I don't see the big deal if it did happen- the context can be altered too easily.
Everyone is racist to some degree. Yes, EVERYONE- even YOU .
Overall funny story and I kind of wanted to hear that guys album til I saw the title was a paragraph- that is always a bad sign about the content of an album- usualy means the artist realized that the album really says nothing so they want to be clever with the title
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Very funny (Score:1)
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It's very possible that Moz was joking (Score:0)
*such as the comedian/actor Richard Belzer, who is Jewish himself.
Morrissey on racism (Score:3, Informative)
I abhor racism and oppression or cruelty of any kind and will not let this pass without being absolutely clear and emphatic with regard to what my position is.
Racism is beyond common sense and I believe it has no place in our society.
The Pass-over; (Score:1)
As a general rule, faxing barely-articulate epithets with an ethnic or religious tag seems neither wise nor sensitive. Someone other than Spencer however, might have dealt with it by sending one back in kind e.g. 'fine, you mongrel Paddy Brit pretender!!' This kind of banter does go on between people who know and like eachother well enough, even if it's always a bit risky. Still, bottom line: sticks and stones... , and we weren't there.
Is Morrissey making music and when is he going to tour again?
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The original reason Spencer left (Score:1)
Talented drummer and song writer -- too bad.
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On another note... (Score:2, Interesting)
Sometimes I am convinced that he is a fairly harmless sociopath, who has an almost autistic like incapability of understanding the feelings of others. Maybe it's his sociopathic nature that makes it seem that way, and the reality is, he really doesn't care. Either way, his bitterness seems to have a large tent.
He's a legendary miser, and when someone is involved in so many bad professional, and personal relationships, at some point, you have to stop pointing the finger, and look at yourself.
It's not a coincidence that the man has had so many legal issues regarding finances.
Morrissey is a blame addict, whose life is so cocooned that he can afford to treat people with a callous disregard, and then play the victim.
Anyone who has been in, or witnessed a bad relationship, can see the signs in his behavior.
Racism Schmasism (Score:1)
I reckon this goes down as worthy of a libel
lawsuit.
This guy's gonna be sorry for what he said.
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wha'd he say? (Score:0)
i don't blame morrissey at all.
Never trust a hipster! (Score:0)
look
at
me!
Wombles (Score:0)
mad world (Score:0)
Bring back The Lads (Score:0)
Moz on Spencer in 2009 - "pushed without mercy" (Score:0)
"A great personal joy for me on Southpaw is Spencer's drumming, which was largely the result of Lillywhite jabbing away at Spencer almost to the point of cruelty. Spencer was pushed and pushed without mercy, and although his best emerged, he could not be befriended..."
I love Morrissey more than ever.... (Score:0)
On A Lighter Note (Score:1)
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Who is this guy? (Score:1)
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"I don't know if i should be telling this..." (Score:1)
The fact that this guy says; "oh, i shouldn't be saying this.." but does anyway, suggests to me that he had every intention of "saying this", otherwise he wouldn't have mentioned it at all.
Hey, I love Morrissey, and am not a synchophant (sp..sorry, it's late here), but the drivel that's been posted on here as of late makes me wonder if this is a fansite anymore...and can understand why Moz thinks a lot of his fans hate him.
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Don't be so hard on 'im (Score:0)
Where would Moz be if he didn't have this stubborn attitude? It's the only way he's survived and been revelant his whole career. I can't compare him to anyone.
Viva Moz!