The Goat writes:
This article appeared in the Manchester Evening News 29th August.
Can a new film heal Smiths' rift? - MEN
Excerpts:
TWO members of The Smiths are to re-visit the story of the band's acrimonious split nearly 20 years ago in a major new TV documentary film.
Drummer Mike Joyce and bass player Andy Rourke will speak for the first time on camera about their time in the iconic 1980s Manchester band.
Their film - Inside The Smiths - has been made without the co-operation of songwriting duo Morrissey and Johnny Marr, whom they sued in a bitter legal wrangle over royalties.
And the musicians have had to call in specialist lawyers to scrutinise every inch of film to ensure the band members do not end up being reunited in the courts again.
Rourke, now 42, said the crew had spent two years filming him and Joyce.
...The documentary, due to be released on DVD in March, features contributions from other Manchester music legends, including Peter Hook of New Order and The Fall's Mark E Smith, and features previously unseen photographs.
Inside The Smiths is to be screened on the MTV channel VH1 next spring.
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Hero Joyce! (Score:0)
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do we really care? (Score:0)
What happened to C4? (Score:0)
Awww, jesus christ fellas! (Score:0)
The rift healed! (Score:1, Funny)
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I'll watch it but........ (Score:2, Interesting)
Huh?,I've got about 9 dvds full of them talking about nothing BUT their Smiths days.Maybe I've got something rare then.......or maybe not.
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Well, it had to happen (Score:0)
"Similarly frustrating is the way in which each solo album is compared to Smiths albums. This would only make sense if the solo albums and the Smiths albums had been recorded during the same period. We are eight lifetimes away from the 1980s and earth is now a completely different planet." Morrissey, Barca, July 2006.
soo boring (Score:0)
parasites (Score:1)
Did they have a carrier as solo artist?
No, they are only "Once I was in the Smiths".
Shame
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MES???? Another great Manc hero! (Score:1, Insightful)
I have been saying for ages that I would like to see the two of em on 'celebrity big brother'... It'd be daggers at dawn til they realised that they probably have more in common with one another than any of the other UK 'celebrities'...
I posted recently that Joyce was at the front for The Fall at Century Hall in Manchester in June... Made me wonder if he was after a job... Also made me wonder how he had managed to afford the £16 entrance fee! Ha!
That said, wish that our Moz had the balls MES has when it comes to binning crap musicians! He wouldn't have to go as far as MES (such as sacking em whilst they are in the middle of a gig!) but please! If Mr Smith can always find new recruits with his reputation, I am sure Mr Morrissey would be able to too!!!
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Wish everyone would.. (Score:2, Insightful)
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Back From The Dead (Score:1)
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Joyce & Rourke (Score:0)
Inside the smiths film (Score:1, Informative)
USA my friend ordered a copy from tower
in New York
vampires (Score:1, Funny)
one, two, three, four.. (Score:2, Funny)
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This will do their cause no good at all (Score:0)
There must be a reason why neither of them have been able to stick to (or be retained by) an artist for more than a couple of years. Why does no one want to work with them?
Inside the Smiths film (Score:0)
in the States,my mate left his details with
tower records in new york. so give them a try!
Rourke & Joyce (Score:0, Flamebait)
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Statement from Morrissey: (Score:0)
Statement from Morrissey:
"The latest statements from M Joyce on a BBC 6 radio interview as faithfully reported on the MorrisseySoLow site have been brought to my attention and I feel I should make this reply as an attempt to put the matter straight.
1. From '83 to '87 M Joyce happily and willingly received 10% of Smiths recording royalties.
2. In '89, as is documented, Joyce sued Morrissey & Marr for 25% of Smiths recording royalties.
3. In '96, Joyce took his claim to court - and on the basis of the 1890 Partnership Act the judge awarded Joyce 25%.
4. In '97, M Joyce was paid 215 thousand pounds from me, and 215 thousand pounds from Johnny Marr.
5. In '99, Joyce appeared on British television and made the statement: "There was no contract saying we were gonna get 25%."
6. In 2001, as a final payment of back royalties, Johnny Marr paid Joyce 260 thousand pounds, plus "costs." At this time I was in the US and was not served with court proceedings, so Joyce obtained a Default Judgment. He then put forward a claim from me for 688 thousand pounds - well above and beyond the amount Johnny Marr was ordered to pay. In my absence, the figure was not contested.
7. Since 2001, and because of the Default Judgment against me, Joyce has taken out Third Party Orders against the following societies: my personal bank account in England, Smiths royalties from Warner Music, my personal PRS royalties, my personal PPL royalties, and he has attempted to seize UK concert fees from venue to venue. This money, to date, totals 700 thousand pounds. This figure is in addition to the figures mentioned above.
8. By grabbing the full total of Smiths royalties from Warner Music (and this means that when the public buy a Smiths CD in the UK, the royalties go to Joyce, and have done so since 2001) Joyce has knowingly deprived Andy Rourke of his 10% Smiths royalties, and has deprived producers John Porter, Stephen Street, Grant Showbiz and Steve Lillywhite (for "Ask") of their entitlements. Joyce did not declare to the courts that others - namely, the above - were also beneficiaries to the Warner Music royalties.
9. In 2001, Joyce attempted to seize both my mother's house and my sister's house by claiming that I had taken my assets out of the UK; he made this claim even though he had direct access to all of the above – which are in the UK. Joyce eventually dropped both of these claims due to lack of evidence, and he refused to pay the 150 thousand pounds that it had cost me to defend his groundless claims. Joyce also dropped his claim as co-composer with Johnny M on Smiths compositions, and Joyce also dropped his claim for Producer royalties on Smiths recordings, and Joyce also dropped his claim for a share of Artwork payments given to me for providing Smiths record sleeves. There were, in fact, no payments to me for Smiths Artwork. Joyce made a further claim for 25% of all Smiths t-shirts sold during the '83 to '87 period, even though there was no evidence that any royalty for t-shirts had been received by either myself or Johnny Marr.
10. In legal fees alone, Joyce has cost me 600 thousand pounds - this is quite apart from any payments made to him, and is quite apart from any money seized by him. In total, Joyce has cost me 1 million, 515 thousand pounds. This is an approximate figure - it could even be higher.
11. The Joyce action is continuous. Because of his Default Judgment he continues to take my royalties, and the royalties of others mentioned above, from Warner Music - consequently I have not received record royalties since 2001.
12. Since 2001, the money claimed by Joyce is charged, to me, at 100 pounds a day in interest.
13. During the Smiths' lifetime, when Joyce willingly took a 10% royalty, he did not contribute towards any expenses of any kind, did not take on any Partnership duties or responsibilities, and he received his 10% as gross earnings.
The point I wish to make is this: Joyce is not poor, unless, li
A Message for Mike Joyce. (Score:0)
I doubt that Morrissey and Marr enjoy seeing Joyce continue to ruin the memory of one of the greatest bands the UK has has this century. And it is hardly rewarding to sit back and look to see what's been happening recently, however, god forbid it IS time for Joyce to put all of this messing about, this absolutely disgusting waste of money and time (Morrissey's and Legal Aid I suspect) to a stop.
Think Hard - No one will want to purchase any more music. Put this mess to bed.
It will end in tears if this goes on for much longer. These will be near Manchester and, most probably, they will be mine and they will be yours.
Strawberry
Rourke and Joyce Film (Score:0)
but has anyone seen it yet! anyone got any
clips or anything? or any related sites?
Is MTV going to show it here in the states?
Mr. Rourke is over here at the moment is he
promoing the film?
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