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davidt
on Wednesday November 08 2000, @05:00PM
Arry writes:
Can anyone confirm the rumour that all profits from the last US Tour were stolen by Morrissey's road manager Garry Westman? Is this the reason the tour ended? ---- Although I don't have any details, I can confirm that the rumor is true. --- Update: 05/14/2003 17:21 GMT: Over two years later, I apologize for making this accusation as I am now hearing that it is not true and my original confirmation may not have been reliable. More info in this post. --- Update: 08/06/2003 15:27 GMT: formerly titled: "Profits from last U.S. tour stolen by Gary Westman (ex-road manager)".
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moz, i hope you are having him locked up...? (Score:2, Insightful)
poor guy.
*sigh* what is the matter with people these days? i'm there for ya....
(User #36 Info)
Re:in defense of David T (the T), and MORRISSEY (Score:2, Insightful)
b) if you want to defend Gary Westman, please go ahead. But don't say yes, and then stop. That's no defense for GW.
c) "none of our business"? In my very humble opinion, it is people like David and the rest of the fans who made it even possible that there was "a profit" from this last tour. We didn't go to see Gary Westman, but I guess you know.
d) "play with someone's career and life"? Wow. I didn't think this was the site of the justice department. Again, in my opinion, we have different perspectives: you care about Gary Westman's career and life; we (read: most people on this site) care about MORRISSEY and wonder how this "rumor" may affect him.
PS: this is a biased opinion. In support of David T and in defense of MORRISSEY. I'm made that way. Sorry.
AK
(User #1449 Info)
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what??? what did they collect? cash? (Score:0)
Stolen tour money (Score:1)
Then again, this is the first that i've heard about it...I think that this would be all over the alternative radio news by now.
Se la vie.... Maybe this will be incentive for him to produce a record (if this is true, of course!).
(User #86 Info)
Where are all the decent, honest one's?... (Score:1)
I wish I could say something poetic on the subject, but nothing comes to mind. It never does.
I'm so sorry Morrissey. Now consider my offer to help you in any way you need...
I'll help you escape if you help me escape. It's all about mutual trust you know...
(User #252 Info)
Moz's greedy Manager (Score:1)
where is this manager guy going to go anyway?
what a great story to cancel a tour.
(User #1848 Info)
Wanted: Gary Westman. Dead. (Score:0)
Prepare a Garry Westman obituary.
Bizarre (Score:1)
(User #121 Info)
Pigs (Score:2, Funny)
(User #580 Info)
Please, no new trial (Score:0)
2 years in court are enough.
Count Westman (Score:4, Informative)
Gary Westman started touring with Morrissey in 1991 during the Kill Uncle Tour. He was the production manager. Phil G.(the current sound board engineer [audience] ) had Westman's former position as Tour Manager. John W. was the stage manager
At some point, ( I don't know which tour Your Arsenal, perhaps.) Westman. was promoted to Tour Manager. John W. was promoted to production manager. Phil G. became the sound engineer. (I do not know if this was any sort of demotion or what happened there)
Westman is American. The rest of the crew were British except for a few Americans on the US tour. And one Brazilian in South America.
Westman can be seen the video, "Live in Dallas." He is standing to the side of the stage. He looks exactly the same then as he does now. He's tall, medium build, partially bald, with very short hair.
Westman was nicknamed, "Count Westman" by the band and crew. I don't think they called him this to his face. He was called count, because it was known that he "counted" the money.
Westman, I was told, functioned more or less as an organizer/manager & accountant. (perhaps also a reason for the nickname? ) His presence backstage & at the aftershows was somewhat mysterious. The Sack guys called him, Mr. X and were apprehansive in his presence.
For Morrissey's sake, I hope this rumor is not true.
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Call the Police! (Score:1, Interesting)
Theving Bastards! (Score:1)
(User #176 Info)
Get Your Facts Right... (Score:1, Funny)
Gary Westman was involved in the '91 tour as the production manager, but he was not a tour manager until the 1999-2000 tour. A guy named Steve Payne was the tour manager on 1992's "Your Arsenal" tour as well as the "Boxers" tour in Feb. '95. He was also the tour manager for the "Maladjusted" tour in 1997. Westman was hired for the "Oye Esteban" tour as a tour manager for the first time.
Please get your stories straight before posting them as fact. That goes for David T. and "slug".
However, while David T. is highly regarded in camp Moz (M, band, crew, etc..)..I simply can't say the same for "slug"..
"Slug" may know certain things by relentless stalking and ass-kissing throughout last year's tour, but simply doesn't know all when it comes to camp Moz. Take anything "slug" says with a grain of salt..No one involved with the band or crew think of "slug" in high regard, but tolorated the pestering because of the website. And that is a FACT..trust me..
.....
Re:Me again.. (Score:2, Insightful)
And living out one's passion completely is nothing to pity someone for because it's bloody brave.
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Re:you are a moron and a jackass (Score:2, Insightful)
How could I ever forget about all those "murders, rapes and wars"? The bloody non-American savages are just up to their ears in them! I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with American foreign policy...
As long as we're doing better than your average war-torn African republic, with all their "murders, rapes and wars," you can be proud to be an American. Continue driving that gas-guzzling vehicle with pride (and did you exercise your right to vote? Great!!!). Don't even _think_ about comparing the U.S.A. to another developed Western country, like Canada or England or pretty much any Western European country. Who cares if our crime and homocide rates are one-hundred times greater than theirs? Who cares that their governments and media function more democratically? Who cares that they get 2 to 3 times more vacation per year than their counterpart American workers, or that they have a higher standard of living, or that they show much, much less tendency toward psychological illness, or that their educational systems are... I could go on. But don't make that comparison. Keep feeling happy that you don't live in one of those nasty places with _all_ those rapes and murders and wars. I'm sure you can find a wonderfully gruesome story about one of these places put together by NBC or CBS tonight on the television to make you proud to be an American. Yes, you heard it hear first, you are living in the _best_ country in the world -- don't let anyone tell you different! God Bless America!
(User #1810 Info)
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Re:Get Your Facts Right... (Score:3, Insightful)
As far as Julia goes, who knows why Morrissey gave her the recognition she got from him while he was on tour. It all seems odd to me- he is capable of respect though, and a bit o' pity I think.
I think that if Angela, a.k.a. 'Slug' hadn't have been as intrusive and as persistent as she was while doing that whole tour, we wouldn't have gotten such fun and interesting stories. I think that Julia Riley, Angela and the whole Morrisseytour.com site, and David T. should all be given credit for the info they give- not beaten down because of the knowledge they have and made to feel like fools because of it. It just makes no sense.
However, I do find that this story, as I have posted earlier, is inappropriate, and I am sure we will be hearing more about it one way or another soon.
Until then, ta-ta.
(User #252 Info)
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Camp Moz... (Score:3, Funny)
I'm planning my vacation for Summer 2001 & Camp Moz sounds like a blast! I do have some questions, though:
1. Will the activities/facilities of Camp Moz be ADA compliant? (I'm planning to invite my invalid friend)
2. What is the cost of the stay & exactly what is included in the price? Will vegan meals be made available?
3. Will lodging be co-ed? I anticipate a fair number of "open tent flaps", but I am a straight male & would prefer not to participate in ginger beer festivities...
4. Will security be present during nightly campfire serenades? Will there be any rules governing these events (e.g. shouting out Cure requests, etc...)?
Thanks in advance for the info!
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Get Back On The Road... (Score:0, Troll)
Oh boy, I hope he sings "Satan" or "Meat is Murder" again. Wouldn't that be great? I hope he tours (with no new material) and charges $60 a ticket again.
Please, please, please Morrissey...tour again!! I'll buy your, boxset, and the "Greatest all time greatest hit single and b-side" collection too...hell, I'll but the Oye DVD too (and I won't even ask you to sign it).
Oh, I just cannot wait!!
(User #310 Info)
Mad Cow Disease (Score:1, Funny)
Carry on now...!
(User #310 Info)
Morri$$ey (Score:1)
(User #360 Info)
all those men= trouble (Score:0)
woman rule.
:)
"Anonymous" is (Score:0)
Slug and her don't get along
Read my lips, no new taxes! (Score:2, Funny)
forget the taxes,
Lalo
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I get straight in the neck (Score:0)
moz the cheap bastard (Score:0, Flamebait)
you have been warned, david (Score:0, Flamebait)
Re:I don't quite understand... (Score:2, Informative)
Here is the actual legal rule: Public figures who want to prove defamation must meet a higher standard than the standard for private citizens; they must prove that the person who issued the false statements knew they were false and that damage was done.
So you see my students, you are all talking crap and you ALL SUCK!!
(User #310 Info)
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Re: grabbed by the guilded beams (Score:2, Funny)
Come on. That is the best joke I ever heard. Did anyone declare a witch hunt on GW? And will the industry read this site and say "Hey, this David T speaketh the truth"? In the best/worst case (depends on the side you fancy), we are used by higher powers to do damage to Gary Westman. The question is why.... The floor is open for factual statements, I presume.
(User #1449 Info)
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Re: I doused a friendly venture ... (Score:2, Interesting)
Remember Steve Wright.
Remember Johnny Rogan.
Remember Mike Joyce.
They're all pretty much alive. And, methinks, have not suffered that much from MORRISSEY's outlets. In terms of career and livelihood. It only made MORRISSEY into a mockery.
I mean, none of us are realistic, right?
Cheers,
AK
(User #1449 Info)
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Who is Julia Riley? (Score:0)
Does money cure the soul? (Score:1)
Alas poor Mozzer down we go angel... together.
My good karma goes to you my friend,
for good spirit is good living.
(User #1291 Info)
Julia Riley (Score:1)
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It was me! (Score:1)
I am sorry...if Morrissey phones me up I will return the money with interest. I was just concerned that, with the money, Morrissey would have had enough money to record a new album. I did not want him to embarrass himself with a new, crap album. So I stole the money and for that I am sorry.
Thank you for listening...I SUCK!
(User #310 Info)
How Does This Affect us the "fans"? (Score:1)
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In defense of Julia Riley (Score:1)
I thought she was very down to earth, very well read...a very interesting interviewer...a generally thoughtful, reflective person. Her zine "true to you" seemed like an unofficial tour program—something we fans should be thankful to have.
So, I'm really not sure what all the fuss is about? She goes to a great deal of concerts--wouldn't you? Sounds as if she has wonderful life passing notes back and forth with Our Man.
What's to be up in arms about? Julia Riley is not a monster. I think she’s better off than the lot of us.
(User #151 Info)
And when they've all said their piece... (Score:0)
no matter what, it's still you I love!
Rumours, rumours, rumours... (Score:3, Insightful)
All this does is get everyone posting in a frenzy-as is being done.
I agree with whoever posted about it having a devastating affect on the manager himself if this is a false accusation.
So everyone just calm down until you hear some facts on this subject! No reason to slander this person on a rumour.
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Greedy people (Score:1)
It is constitutionally and politically incorrect to steal from someone who trusts you.
--Don King
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To: MorrisseySucks member (Score:0, Flamebait)
(User #1731 Info)
stolen money (Score:1)
she's too rough and i'm too delicate...
(User #569 Info)
Well, it was only a matter of time... (Score:0)
Maybe Moz could write a song about it called "Hold Onto Your Money!"
But seriously this whole leaking of rumors reeks of "someone" trying to get our sympathy...which, he already has!
Moz getting ripped off (Score:1)
(User #442 Info)
Crooks & Robbers (Score:0)