Producer Steve Lillywhite shares career nuggets at Canadian Music Wk (Moz mention)

Producer Steve Lillywhite Shares Career Nuggets on The Rolling Stones, U2, David Byrne & More at Canadian Music Week - Billboard.com
By Karen Bliss.

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"On Morrissey:
Still don't really know him. He's the only artist I know that wears a Morrissey T-shirt, He literally comes down for breakfast with a Morrissey T-shirt. He's a very gentle vegetarian and that's probably the most untidy hair I've ever seen him have [shows photo]. I mean he would always be perfectly quiffed and just a lovely man who was very shy... I always remember the story, I was in the studio, he would just let me and the band do all the music, he wouldn't come in. I would work on the song with the band and then Morrissey would come in and listen. Anyway he would say, "Steve, The Who, Sheppard's Bush, 1965," and then just walk out. Okay. I sort of got the idea of what he meant. He was a man of very few words and actually most of the words he uses he steals. There's no question he's a poet who loves his Oscar Wilde and he takes vast swathes of lyrics from other people."

Just a brief mention.
Regards,
FWD.
 
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Sometimes the so called cribbing doesnt turn out too good. I dont know of any Moz cribbing (its just Hater bollocks) but, as an example, we can take the new Drama Johnny single "the Tracers". Very dramatic track:drama:.
Its about some aliens that are going to blow up the planet and reset it because we in the here and now
dont care about the planet and will end up blowing it up. I know, it makes 0 sense, buts not the point
just a bit of background. Now, the experts on that thread, the one devoted to the dramatic track in question
have pointed out at least 6 cribbings from classic past songs. Some very classic songs. DJ took these cribs and
put them together and came out with a SUCKY song!! Thats almost impossible to do, but he managed.
So Im not sure about this cribbing.:censored:
 
Not all creative people borrow lyrics, you know. Just think how very much more impressive it would have been had Morrissey made all of those lyrical zingers up? I remember being ever so slightly disappointed on reading a comprehensive Morrissey crib-list a few years back... almost all of his best stuff had been lifted from other sources (or so it seemed on a first read through)!
Whilst I can't agree that "it's the tune that matters" (how often does Morrissey write his own music, anyway?) I do think that his great talent lay in his good-taste in steal-able quotes and his ability to construct a song around those quotes, then to set those lyrics to the music his collaborators presented him with.

I think how he spun them all together in a song is also a talent Bri g tasteful aside. If all it takes is to take quotes to write great lyrics more people would do so. On top of that he als writes the vocal melodies which is his other equally great talent. The fact that people hum his songs and the vocal line is important to the success of the song
 
I think how he spun them all together in a song is also a talent Bri g tasteful aside. If all it takes is to take quotes to write great lyrics more people would do so. On top of that he als writes the vocal melodies which is his other equally great talent. The fact that people hum his songs and the vocal line is important to the success of the song


Point taken.:thumb:
Moz writes the words AND MELODIES!! DJ just would add that U2 bald dude guitar
riff. On every song, chicka chicka chicka, very annoying.
Moz would give him a credit so.....well, you know, so he wouldnt get all :drama:, but eventually he got all hysterical and made his
:drama: exit. DJ hasnt bumped into a melody since. Yet all the Moz stuff continues to have exc melodies.
 
Are you talking about the ill-fated support tour for David Bowie and his subsequent comments about him?
Luckily Moz was still on that Outside tour when I saw them in 95. Moz was ace but the Bowie crowd were boring old farts (some of them anyway).
As an aside: I see Suede have a new album 'The Blue Hour' out on Sept 21st. Reckon it will be ace.
 
I don't recall any self-sabotaging to the press in the lead-up and release period of Southpaw. He would recall in both the 2009 reissue liner notes and in his autobiography that Howie Klein from Sire/Reprise quite candidly told him that the higher-ups were content to let it die in the U.S. Ironically, the harder-edged sound hewed closer to American "alternative rock" du jour at the time. With "Britpop" in full flight, the sound of the album was hopelessly out of step with the times back home so there was nowhere to go but down. A shame, as the idiosyncrasy of its timing in its marketplace probably caused it to be more unfairly maligned.
It's funny cos I've learned to love Southpaw over the years, but when it came out I remember buying the CD and being very disappointed, in much the same way I was with Kill Uncle. I remember being very impressed when Your Arsenal and Vauxhall came out.
 
I would agree there. It's spotting the potential that's the clever bit. Also, I felt that the literary/film references gave those songs extra layers and it must have been the first time ever that pop songs sent people scuttling off to discover plays and poetry. So I personally don't mind the borrowing, I think it's an art all of its own.
I agree with your agreeing. Moz borrows in an intelligent way. Modern tv shows like Stranger Things or films like IT overdo the borrowing of 80s pop culture so that it becomes intrusive and not natural. One of the kids in Stranger Things has every movie poster on his wall in pristine condition. The reality is that some of them would be torn in half by a jealous sibling and cellotaped back together. Moz's borrowing always felt real.
 
Southpaw the song is pretty good, the rest of that album should never have seen the light of day.

Morrissey’s attempt to make a Smoking Popes album failed miserably.
 
Please copy and paste all the lyrics Morrissey has stolen for his songs. If it were that easy how come most songs' lyrics suck on a majestic level? Morrissey may have used words others have used such as the, and, hate, shoplifters, nun, etc... but not in the order others have.

Lillywhite should be grateful he was given the opportunity to produce three of Morrissey's albums. He did a great job on all three.
 
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The following is asserted information about sources/inspiration for The Smiths/Morrissey songs. The site is now long gone so I don't know who to thank for their work - I will just have to live with the guilt :)
I made a copy of the information years ago as it was very thorough and now the site has gone - I'm glad I did.
I'm not sure Morrissey taking bits of the following and crafting them in to songs is some terrible act of plagarism - decide for yourselves. One of the things that first drew me to him were all the references to film/literature et al, so I can't view it as negatively as Mr. Lillywhite.
Anyway, please feel free to add to any song with decent references.

This, obviously, shouldn't be taken as definitive or exhaustive.

The Smiths.

Accept Yourself

"I am angry, I am ill, and I'm ugly as sin"
Magazine (included because of Howard Devoto link)

A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours

"A Rush, a charge from North, South, East and West [and] the land is ours"
Speranza, in an Irish nationalist magazine around the turn of the century
"A rush and a charge and the land is ours"
Traditional Irish battle cry
"...the ghost of Troubled Joe"
Probably a reference to the film Carry On Jack

Asleep

"Sing me to sleep."
"A Taste Of Honey", by Shelagh Delaney. This could be dismissed as a common phrase, but considering the wholesale plundering of both this book and the film version, it's fairly reasonable.

Bigmouth Strikes Again

There is a Kenny Everett (late British 80s comedian) sketch where he is burned at the stake whilst wearing a Walkman.

Cemetry Gates

"All those people, all those lives, where are they now ? Here was a woman who once lived and loved, full of the same passions, fears, jealousies, hates. And what remains of it now ... I want to cry."
"The Man Who Came To Dinner", film
"The early village-cock hath twice done salutation to the morn"
Richard III, Shakespeare

Death At One's Elbow

Phrase from the Joe Orton Diaries

Death Of A Disco Dancer

"I'd rather not talk to my neighbour, I'd rather not get involved"
"Poor Cow", by Nell Dun

Frankly Mr. Shankly

Name possibly from onetime Liverpool FC manager Bill Shankly

Half A Person

"I hitchiked all the way down to Memphis, got a room at the YMCA..."
"Guitar Man", by Elvis Presley
"Caliban is only half a person at the best of times."
From "The Collector", by John Fowles

Hand In Glove

"...and everything depends on how near you sleep to me."
Take This Longing, by Leonard Cohen
"I'll probably never see you again. I know it."
"A Taste Of Honey", by Shelagh Delaney

Handsome Devil

A Boy In The Bush is a novel by D. H. Lawrence
"There's more to life than what you read in books."
"Slaughterhouse Five", by Kurt Vonnegut

The Hand That Rocks The Cradle

"The Hand that Rocks The Cradle", title of "Crib"-detective series,1981
"Climb upon my knee, sonny boy..."
"Sonny Boy", Al Jolson
"Over the stones, rattle his bones, he's only a beggar who nobody owns."
Gray's Elegy (original source)
"So rattle her bones all over the stones, she's only a beggar-man whom nobody owns."
The Lion In Love, by Shelagh Delaney (this is the most likely direct source)

The Headmaster Ritual

"...who grabs and devours ..."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart

Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now

"Heaven Knows I'm Missing Him Now", song by Sandie Shaw

How Soon Is Now ?

"To be born the son of a Middlemarch manufacturer, and inevitable heir to nothing in particular,.."
"Middlemarch", by George Eliot

I Don't Owe You Anything

"I don't owe you a thing."
"A Taste Of Honey", by Shelagh Delaney

I Want The One I Can't Have

"Health, Health, the blessing of the Rich, the Riches of the Poor"
From Edith Sitwell's "The English Eccentrics"
"A tough kid who sometimes sleeps on nails."
Director Howard Sachler's description of James Dean.
"We all want the things we can't have."
Samantha Eggar in The Collector.

Is It Really So Strange ?

"I could never never go back home again."
24 Hours From Tulsa by Gene Pitney

Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me

"Last Night Was Meant For Love" is a single by Billy Fury (who features on the single sleeve)

London

"..because you notice the jealousy of those that stay at home..."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart

Louder Than Bombs

"...louder than bombs or screams or the inside ticking of remorse..."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart

Miserable Lie

"...by his sweetness and goodness to her through the brief years of his flower-like life."
Oscar Wilde's De Profundis

Paint A Vulgar Picture (and You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby)

"You just haven't earned it yet, baby"
Geoff Travis
"Paint a vulgar picture"
Oscar Wilde

Pretty Girls Make Graves

"Nature played this trick on me"
The barber in the film "Victim"
"Pretty girls make graves"
Dharma Bums - Jack Kerouac

The Queen Is Dead

"The Queen Is Dead"
Last Exit To Brooklyn, Hubert Selby Jnr
"Shall we go for a walk where it's quiet..?"
From the film of Billy Liar
"Take Me Back To Dear Old Blighty..." is from the film The L Shaped Room.

Reel Around The Fountain

"Take and mount me like a butterfly"
Exit Smiling - Morrissey (after From Reverence To Rape by M.Haskell)
"...like butterflies on pins."
"...reel around the cafe."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
"You're the bee's knees, but so am I"
"I dreamt about you last night, and I fell out of bed twice."
both from the film adaptation of A Taste Of Honey by Shelagh Delaney

Rubber Ring

"Everybody's Clever Nowadays"
The Importance Of Being Earnest, by Oscar Wilde

Rusholme Ruffians

"Fourteen Again"
The whole song is loosely based around this song by Victoria Wood

Shakespeare's Sister

"Shakespeare's Sister"
An essay by Virginia Woolf, also a character in Tennessee William's "Glass Menagerie"
"...our bones groaned like old trees..."
"rocks below could promise certain death."
From Elizabeth Smart's "By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept".

Sheila Take A Bow

"If the homework brings you down, then we'll throw it on the fire."
Kooks, David Bowie

Shoplifters Of The World Unite

"My only weakness is ... well, never mind, never mind"
James Dean in "Kraft Mystery Hour : Danger !"
"It's a long time, six months."
"A Taste Of Honey", by Shelagh Delaney

Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others

"Send me the pillow, the one that you dream on"
"Send me the pillow you dream on" - Johnny Tillotson
The lines about Anthony and Cleopatra are about the film "Carry On Cleo"

Still Ill

"Society owes me a living"
Myra Hindley, 1977
"We walked for miles, round the backs, right over the iron bridge and down underneath it on the towpath. We were kissing away and touching and getting really sore lips"
From Viv Nicholson's book, "Spend Spend Spend".

Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before

"Stop Me If You've Heard It"
Short story by Noel Coward.

Strangeways, Here We Come

"Borstal, here we come"
Billy Liar

Stretch Out And Wait

"Jim, do you think that the end of the world will come at night time ?"
Rebel Without A Cause
"We are here and it is now."
Men's Liberation by Jack Nichols

Suffer Little Children

"Whatever Ian has done, I have done"
Myra Hindley
"Suffer the little children to come unto me"
Whispered when Myra walked past by inmates of Hindley's jail (from the bible; "suffer" is equivalent to "allow")
There is a play by Stanley Houghton called "Hindle Wakes".

Sweet And Tender Hooligan

"In the midst of life we are in debt"
Peter Cook & Dudley Moore
"In the midst of life we are in death"
Coleridge (adapted by Cook and Moore for their sketch)
Also from The Burial Service in the Book of Common Prayer

That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore

"I've watched this happen in other people's lives and now it's happened in ours"
"Alice Adams"

There Is A Light That Never Goes Out

In the 1968 film "The Killing Of Sister George", one of the murder methods discussed is that of a ten-ton truck."I suppose I should keep on hoping he gets knocked down by a double-decker bus"
Saturday Night And Sunday Morning, Alan Sillitoe

These Things Take Time

"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord..."
Battle Hymn of the American Republic, Julia Howe "Our eyes have seen the glory ..." Eamon de Valera, Irish Prime Minister
The line "the hills are alive with celibate cries" could refer to the beginning of the film "The Sound of Music", where there are nuns singing on a hilltop.

This Charming Man

"A jumped-up pantry boy who doesn't know his place"
From the film Sleuth starring Michael Caine

This Night Has Opened My Eyes

"You can't just wrap it up in a bundle of newspaper."
"...and dump it on a doorstep."
"That river, it's the colour of lead."
"I'm not sorry and I'm not glad."
"Oh well, the dream's gone, but the baby's real enough.
"A Taste Of Honey, by Shelagh Delaney

Unloveable

"I wear black on the outside, because black is how I feel on the inside."
This line is NOT from the Johnny Cash song "The man in black". Does anyone know where it is from, if anywhere ?

Vicar In A Tutu

"...combatting ignorance and disease."
From the film version of Billy Liar
"...sent to Borstal when a kid for breaking open gas meters and ripping lead from church roofs..."
Saturday Night And Sunday Morning, Alan Sillitoe

Well I Wonder

"... do you hear me where you sleep ?"
"... for it is the fierce last stand of all I have."
"...and cries out hoarsely my name in the night."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart

What Difference Does It Make ?

"...the devil will make work for idle hands to do."
Beyond Belief, Emlyn Williams (after the bible)
"What difference does it make ?"
Terence Stamp, in the film The Collector which features on the sleeve.

What She Said

"I have learned to smoke because I need something to hold on to."
"...I wonder why no one has noticed that I am dead and taken the trouble to bury me"
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart

William, It Was Really Nothing

"The rain is pouring on the foreign town, the bullets cannots cut you down."
"This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us", by Sparks
The theme of this song is borrowed from "Billy Liar" by Keith Waterhouse.

You've Got Everything Now

"...as merry as the day is long."
A Taste Of Honey, by Shelagh Delaney Originally from Shakespeare's "Much Ado About Nothing".

Regards,
FWD.
 
This obviously needs some updating.

Morrissey:


Alma Matters

"Anyway, it's your life, ruin it your own way."
A Taste Of Honey, by Shelagh Delaney.

Alsatian Cousin

The title of the song is from the Alan Bennett play, "Forty Years On".

Angel, Angel, Down We Go Together

Angel, Angel, Down We Go, 70s film

Billy Budd

"...because of what was in our eyes."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
Billy Budd is a novel by Herman Melville

Black-Eyed Susan

Apparently this is based upon The Buckingham's "Susan".
"I am a born-again atheist."
Attributed to Gore Vidal.

Dagenham Dave

"Dagenham Dave" is the title of song by The Stranglers.

Do Your Best And Don't Worry

"...unnoticed in my drab dress."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
"You're watching yourself but you're too unfair."
Rock 'n' Roll Suicide, David Bowie

Found, Found, Found

"...I do believe that the more you give your love, and I do believe that the more you offer trust ... the more you're bound to lose".
If Love Were All, by Noel Coward

Glamorous Glue

"...I am too much in love."
The Picture Of Dorian Gray, by Oscar Wilde

Hairdresser On Fire

Rumoured to be based on the play "The Boy Hairdresser" by Orton/Halliwell

He Cried

"He Cried" is a song by 60's girl group The Shrangli-La's.

Hulmerist

Derived from area of Manchester (Hulme, pronounced "Hume")

Kill Uncle

Let's Kill Uncle, sixties film.

King Leer

"King Lear" is of course by William Shakespeare

The Last Of The Famous International Playboys

"The Last Of The Secret Agents", song by Nancy Sinatra.

Late Night, Maudlin Street

"They are taking me away in a police car..."
"Are you not convinced, inspector ? Do you not believe in love ?"
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
Late Night On Watling Street
Book of short stories by Bill Naughton
Maudlin Street is the name of the secondary school in Carry On Teaching
Also, whilst recording Viva Hate in Bath, Moz often visited Bristol, which as Upper/Lower Maudlin Street in the city centre.

The Lazy Sunbathers

George Formby accused contemporary performers of being "lazy sunbathers" for not being more active in the war effort. It probably also refers to the days after Germany invaded Poland, where crowds of Berlin sunbathers went to the Wahnsee lake, in a state of denial about the forthcoming war.

Little Man, What Now ?

Little Man, What Now ?, a German film released in 1934, based on a book written by Hans Fallada.

Lucky Lisp

Pun on Cliff Richard's Lucky Lips

Maladjusted

"In a low-cut blouse she brings the beer."
"They'll eat a working girl like her alive."J
oni Mitchell, in the song "The Jungle Line".

The Malady Lingers On

"...But the melody lingers on."Ziegfeld Follies, by Irving Berlin

National Front Disco, The

The title comes from "Among The Thugs" by Bill Buford.

Now I Am A Was

"I started at the top, and then I worked down".
Orson Welles

Now My Heart Is Full

Dallow, Spicer, Pinkie, Cubittcharacters in Brighton Rock by Grahame Greene (later made into Morrissey's favourite film)

Papa Jack

It is possible the title of this song refers to a boxer called Jack Johnson.
The American writer Joel Chandler Harris wrote a series of stories in the creole language Gullah, based around a character called Daddy Jack.

Piccadilly Palare

Words from Round The Horne, 1960s radio show (see lyrics). Piccadilly Palare was slang for gay men in the 1960s.

Roy's Keen

Probably a pun on Manchester United footballer Roy Keane.

Satan Rejected My Soul

"Heaven doesn't seem to be my home."Wuthering Heights (book or film ?)

Sing Your Life

"Can you look at the truth ?"
James Dean in East Of Eden

Speedway

"Speedway" is a 1968 film starring Elvis Presley and Nancy Sinatra

Suedehead
Suedehead (album)

Suedehead, a book by Richard Allen
"Why do you come here, when you know I've got troubles enough ?"
"Weakness In Me" by Joan Armatrading

This Is Not Your Country

The title is spoken near the beginning of the Australian skinhead film "Romper Stomper".

Tomorrow

"Put your arms around me, Geoff."
"A Taste Of Honey", by Shelagh Delaney
"Tomorrow" is the title of a song by Sandie Shaw
"Put your arms around me.""I won't tell anybody."
Samantha Eggar in The Collector.

Used To Be A Sweet Boy

"Used To Be A Playboy", single by The Marvelettes

Vauxhall And I

Possibly from the film "Withnail And I"
Johnny Rogan lives in Vauxhall (an area of London)
Vauxhall is a make of car.

We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful

"Anybody can sympathise with the sufferings of a friend, but it requires a very fine nature to sympathise with a friend's success."
Oscar Wilde

Will Never Marry

Folk band The Morrisseys apparently have a song called "I Will Never Marry".

To the University student that collated all this (??? @compsoc.man.ac.uk):
My thanks.
Regards,
FWD.
 
This obviously needs some updating.

Morrissey:


Alma Matters

"Anyway, it's your life, ruin it your own way."
A Taste Of Honey, by Shelagh Delaney.

Alsatian Cousin

The title of the song is from the Alan Bennett play, "Forty Years On".

Angel, Angel, Down We Go Together

Angel, Angel, Down We Go, 70s film

Billy Budd

"...because of what was in our eyes."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
Billy Budd is a novel by Herman Melville

Black-Eyed Susan

Apparently this is based upon The Buckingham's "Susan".
"I am a born-again atheist."
Attributed to Gore Vidal.

Dagenham Dave

"Dagenham Dave" is the title of song by The Stranglers.

Do Your Best And Don't Worry

"...unnoticed in my drab dress."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
"You're watching yourself but you're too unfair."
Rock 'n' Roll Suicide, David Bowie

Found, Found, Found

"...I do believe that the more you give your love, and I do believe that the more you offer trust ... the more you're bound to lose".
If Love Were All, by Noel Coward

Glamorous Glue

"...I am too much in love."
The Picture Of Dorian Gray, by Oscar Wilde

Hairdresser On Fire

Rumoured to be based on the play "The Boy Hairdresser" by Orton/Halliwell

He Cried

"He Cried" is a song by 60's girl group The Shrangli-La's.

Hulmerist

Derived from area of Manchester (Hulme, pronounced "Hume")

Kill Uncle

Let's Kill Uncle, sixties film.

King Leer

"King Lear" is of course by William Shakespeare

The Last Of The Famous International Playboys

"The Last Of The Secret Agents", song by Nancy Sinatra.

Late Night, Maudlin Street

"They are taking me away in a police car..."
"Are you not convinced, inspector ? Do you not believe in love ?"
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
Late Night On Watling Street
Book of short stories by Bill Naughton
Maudlin Street is the name of the secondary school in Carry On Teaching
Also, whilst recording Viva Hate in Bath, Moz often visited Bristol, which as Upper/Lower Maudlin Street in the city centre.

The Lazy Sunbathers

George Formby accused contemporary performers of being "lazy sunbathers" for not being more active in the war effort. It probably also refers to the days after Germany invaded Poland, where crowds of Berlin sunbathers went to the Wahnsee lake, in a state of denial about the forthcoming war.

Little Man, What Now ?

Little Man, What Now ?, a German film released in 1934, based on a book written by Hans Fallada.

Lucky Lisp

Pun on Cliff Richard's Lucky Lips

Maladjusted

"In a low-cut blouse she brings the beer."
"They'll eat a working girl like her alive."J
oni Mitchell, in the song "The Jungle Line".

The Malady Lingers On

"...But the melody lingers on."Ziegfeld Follies, by Irving Berlin

National Front Disco, The

The title comes from "Among The Thugs" by Bill Buford.

Now I Am A Was

"I started at the top, and then I worked down".
Orson Welles

Now My Heart Is Full

Dallow, Spicer, Pinkie, Cubittcharacters in Brighton Rock by Grahame Greene (later made into Morrissey's favourite film)

Papa Jack

It is possible the title of this song refers to a boxer called Jack Johnson.
The American writer Joel Chandler Harris wrote a series of stories in the creole language Gullah, based around a character called Daddy Jack.

Piccadilly Palare

Words from Round The Horne, 1960s radio show (see lyrics). Piccadilly Palare was slang for gay men in the 1960s.

Roy's Keen

Probably a pun on Manchester United footballer Roy Keane.

Satan Rejected My Soul

"Heaven doesn't seem to be my home."Wuthering Heights (book or film ?)

Sing Your Life

"Can you look at the truth ?"
James Dean in East Of Eden

Speedway

"Speedway" is a 1968 film starring Elvis Presley and Nancy Sinatra

Suedehead
Suedehead (album)

Suedehead, a book by Richard Allen
"Why do you come here, when you know I've got troubles enough ?"
"Weakness In Me" by Joan Armatrading

This Is Not Your Country

The title is spoken near the beginning of the Australian skinhead film "Romper Stomper".

Tomorrow

"Put your arms around me, Geoff."
"A Taste Of Honey", by Shelagh Delaney
"Tomorrow" is the title of a song by Sandie Shaw
"Put your arms around me.""I won't tell anybody."
Samantha Eggar in The Collector.

Used To Be A Sweet Boy

"Used To Be A Playboy", single by The Marvelettes

Vauxhall And I

Possibly from the film "Withnail And I"
Johnny Rogan lives in Vauxhall (an area of London)
Vauxhall is a make of car.

We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful

"Anybody can sympathise with the sufferings of a friend, but it requires a very fine nature to sympathise with a friend's success."
Oscar Wilde

Will Never Marry

Folk band The Morrisseys apparently have a song called "I Will Never Marry".

To the University student that collated all this (??? @compsoc.man.ac.uk):
My thanks.
Regards,
FWD.
Astonishing detail! Some are more concrete than others but it still shows beyond doubt the extent of the borrowing. Thanks as always FWD.
 
Astonishing detail! Some are more concrete than others but it still shows beyond doubt the extent of the borrowing. Thanks as always FWD.
If you've never watched A Taste of Honey, you should. It's uh, revealing.
 
A lot from that list seems kinda slight. A lot of titles and one liners. The smiths lyrics narrowed a lot more though right
 
This obviously needs some updating.

Morrissey:


Alma Matters

"Anyway, it's your life, ruin it your own way."
A Taste Of Honey, by Shelagh Delaney.

Alsatian Cousin

The title of the song is from the Alan Bennett play, "Forty Years On".

Angel, Angel, Down We Go Together

Angel, Angel, Down We Go, 70s film

Billy Budd

"...because of what was in our eyes."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
Billy Budd is a novel by Herman Melville

Black-Eyed Susan

Apparently this is based upon The Buckingham's "Susan".
"I am a born-again atheist."
Attributed to Gore Vidal.

Dagenham Dave

"Dagenham Dave" is the title of song by The Stranglers.

Do Your Best And Don't Worry

"...unnoticed in my drab dress."
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
"You're watching yourself but you're too unfair."
Rock 'n' Roll Suicide, David Bowie

Found, Found, Found

"...I do believe that the more you give your love, and I do believe that the more you offer trust ... the more you're bound to lose".
If Love Were All, by Noel Coward

Glamorous Glue

"...I am too much in love."
The Picture Of Dorian Gray, by Oscar Wilde

Hairdresser On Fire

Rumoured to be based on the play "The Boy Hairdresser" by Orton/Halliwell

He Cried

"He Cried" is a song by 60's girl group The Shrangli-La's.

Hulmerist

Derived from area of Manchester (Hulme, pronounced "Hume")

Kill Uncle

Let's Kill Uncle, sixties film.

King Leer

"King Lear" is of course by William Shakespeare

The Last Of The Famous International Playboys

"The Last Of The Secret Agents", song by Nancy Sinatra.

Late Night, Maudlin Street

"They are taking me away in a police car..."
"Are you not convinced, inspector ? Do you not believe in love ?"
By Grand Central Station I Sat Down And Wept, by Elizabeth Smart
Late Night On Watling Street
Book of short stories by Bill Naughton
Maudlin Street is the name of the secondary school in Carry On Teaching
Also, whilst recording Viva Hate in Bath, Moz often visited Bristol, which as Upper/Lower Maudlin Street in the city centre.

The Lazy Sunbathers

George Formby accused contemporary performers of being "lazy sunbathers" for not being more active in the war effort. It probably also refers to the days after Germany invaded Poland, where crowds of Berlin sunbathers went to the Wahnsee lake, in a state of denial about the forthcoming war.

Little Man, What Now ?

Little Man, What Now ?, a German film released in 1934, based on a book written by Hans Fallada.

Lucky Lisp

Pun on Cliff Richard's Lucky Lips

Maladjusted

"In a low-cut blouse she brings the beer."
"They'll eat a working girl like her alive."J
oni Mitchell, in the song "The Jungle Line".

The Malady Lingers On

"...But the melody lingers on."Ziegfeld Follies, by Irving Berlin

National Front Disco, The

The title comes from "Among The Thugs" by Bill Buford.

Now I Am A Was

"I started at the top, and then I worked down".
Orson Welles

Now My Heart Is Full

Dallow, Spicer, Pinkie, Cubittcharacters in Brighton Rock by Grahame Greene (later made into Morrissey's favourite film)

Papa Jack

It is possible the title of this song refers to a boxer called Jack Johnson.
The American writer Joel Chandler Harris wrote a series of stories in the creole language Gullah, based around a character called Daddy Jack.

Piccadilly Palare

Words from Round The Horne, 1960s radio show (see lyrics). Piccadilly Palare was slang for gay men in the 1960s.

Roy's Keen

Probably a pun on Manchester United footballer Roy Keane.

Satan Rejected My Soul

"Heaven doesn't seem to be my home."Wuthering Heights (book or film ?)

Sing Your Life

"Can you look at the truth ?"
James Dean in East Of Eden

Speedway

"Speedway" is a 1968 film starring Elvis Presley and Nancy Sinatra

Suedehead
Suedehead (album)

Suedehead, a book by Richard Allen
"Why do you come here, when you know I've got troubles enough ?"
"Weakness In Me" by Joan Armatrading

This Is Not Your Country

The title is spoken near the beginning of the Australian skinhead film "Romper Stomper".

Tomorrow

"Put your arms around me, Geoff."
"A Taste Of Honey", by Shelagh Delaney
"Tomorrow" is the title of a song by Sandie Shaw
"Put your arms around me.""I won't tell anybody."
Samantha Eggar in The Collector.

Used To Be A Sweet Boy

"Used To Be A Playboy", single by The Marvelettes

Vauxhall And I

Possibly from the film "Withnail And I"
Johnny Rogan lives in Vauxhall (an area of London)
Vauxhall is a make of car.

We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful

"Anybody can sympathise with the sufferings of a friend, but it requires a very fine nature to sympathise with a friend's success."
Oscar Wilde

Will Never Marry

Folk band The Morrisseys apparently have a song called "I Will Never Marry".

To the University student that collated all this (??? @compsoc.man.ac.uk):
My thanks.
Regards,
FWD.

Moz cribbed Lazy Sunbathers from George Formby accusing contempory performs during the war
effort?:crazy: WTF?

He cribbed the phrase 'will never marry'?? and Vauxhall and I 'possibly' from Whitnail and I but
Vauxhall is a car? Are you haters insane? If I using the word "cadillac" in this post Im cribbing it?:lbf:

"put your around me" and "i wont tell anyone"?:crazy:
"used to be a SWEET boy" from "used to be a PLAYBOY"? :crazy:
He cribbed "He Cried" from "He Cried"?:crazy:
"this is not your country" a VERY RARE PHRASE from the first minute of an AUSTRALIAN MOVIE?
Moz flew to Australia to crib a common everyday phrase?:crazy:

I take then that Drama J cribbed "the tracers":drama: from the movie 'the tracers" and hi hello he cribbed from 'hey hi hello' from hollywood highlife:ahhh:


Moz also cribbed the word 'and' from ........two trillion sources!! Drama J thought he invented the word.
:rofl:

Hating insanity:tiphat:
 
If you've never watched A Taste of Honey, you should. It's uh, revealing.

Don't think I've ever seen the whole thing. But it wouldn't surprise me if it was Smiths-by-numbers, he was pretty obsessed by it, by all accounts.
 
Drama Johnny "the Tracers":drama:
cribbing history:
(not counting the 6 cribs already described by other posters, these are original cribs
unearthed by my research)

movie 'the tracers' 2015 low budget movie. Drama J being low in funds most certainly watched
this sucky movie.

the book Tracers in the Oil Fileds by B Zemel.

"Tracers" series of gayish books by Laura Griffin. Books 1-9

"Tracers" Netflix teenager movie. You know Drama was all over this.:popcorn:

The Tracers 7 min documentary

The Tracers sucky cover band. Probably buddies with them in Portland OR

Tracers a type of molecule:bow:

"Tracers" Homeless Website (LOL,too many sucky albums I guess)

"The Tracers" waste burning aerosol put some the tracers on the tracers LOL

"the Tracers" from parliamentary papers issued in 1906:tiphat:

"the tracers" lines you see with your:eyes: after being drunk

"the tracers" russian spies.:balloon:



This will suffice by now, enough evidence that DJ may be a kleptocribber!!


Next I will research the first line of the tracers song. But I have to wait until
the album is actually released, as I cant make out the gurggling. If anyone
out there, the Drama J crowd, wants to post the lyrics so I can further my research asap then please do so:tiphat:
 
Don't think I've ever seen the whole thing. But it wouldn't surprise me if it was Smiths-by-numbers, he was pretty obsessed by it, by all accounts.
The overall tone and feel is like a template of everything Smiths. Love/complications/getting what you want with a catch, romanticizing poverty/working class lives, the complications of sexuality and attraction, etc.
If you have a sick day, or a rainy one without much better to do, give it a watch.
 
The overall tone and feel is like a template of everything Smiths. Love/complications/getting what you want with a catch, romanticizing poverty/working class lives, the complications of sexuality and attraction, etc.
If you have a sick day, or a rainy one without much better to do, give it a watch.
Interesting. You've got me curious now, so I will. It was the sort of film that was on endless repeats late at night, or on rainy Sundays, throughout my childhood when we only had 3 TV channels, so although I was aware of it I never paid it much attention. Saturday Night, Sunday Morning and Billy Liar being of a similar ilk (which I suspect Morrissey has also plundered). I really ought to have a 'retro season' and catch up.
 
Interesting. You've got me curious now, so I will. It was the sort of film that was on endless repeats late at night, or on rainy Sundays, throughout my childhood when we only had 3 TV channels, so although I was aware of it I never paid it much attention. Saturday Night, Sunday Morning and Billy Liar being of a similar ilk (which I suspect Morrissey has also plundered). I really ought to have a 'retro season' and catch up.
Just have a little film fest. I did that with Vincent Price the other day. He's such a complete bastard in Witchfinder General, despite the often corny tone of the film, and the very rubber axe.
 
Drama J Hi Hello
cribbing history:

from foreigners who have English as a second language. Outrageous crib
someone notify Skinny/Cheswick

from Hi Hello How are You? by the New Riders of the Purple Sage

from the King County Library Website - Drama may have crossed the line with this one.:censored:

Hi Hello from boyband Day6 gayish song

From the HiHello Design company in Palo Alto CA

from the Hi Hello food company in Brooklyn NY

from the Hi Hello Day Care center in Freeport NY

from BOLLYWOOD DRAMA HIHELLO!!!:swear

from HiHello by group Born Musicdoh:

from Hey Hi Hello from Sionnie the Storyteller.:screamcat:


and endless cribbing on the title alone for this one :flushed:
 

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