this thread made me throw on yor. birthday is so epic!
this thread made me throw on yor. birthday is so epic!
It's unfortunate that we only have one live recording of it, with a strained vocal, no less
Lads -- change the key so Mozzer can sing it more comfortably!! You did it with SISMS and even released the 'official' VIDEO for it in it's live, transposed-down form. We need to hear this live again and with Moz feeling better!!
its definitely up there with Pet Sounds, Whats Going On, Revolver and OK Computer for me....... or whatever else Q (is it still going?) decree is the best album of all time this month.
Ive been saying this from the start... Only more articulately.
I'm not sure what I think about this actually. At the time it came out I listened to it non-stop (last.fm informs me it's my most listened to album this year). But recently I haven't had the urge to listen to it. I think the songs are excellent in general, but it lacks something of an atmosphere holding it together as an album, which even Kill Uncle and Ringleader (the worst albums) undeniably have. However, I think this might be largely my problem, this being the first album that has come out after I've been following Morrissey on tour, so that I was familiar with much of the material. Also, on the negative side (and this won't be popular), but I have a real problem with Carol... it's bloody annoying.
Criticism aside though, songs like Birthday and Mama, are almost certainly better than anything he has recorded since Vauxhall, and I would definitely not say that he has 'lost it' in terms of attitude, effort or lyrical brilliance. In the context of popular music, I consider Morrissey's entire catalogue to be 'classic', but within his own work, it's harder to say. Look how long it takes me to reach no conclusion!
I prefer Maladjusted to Vauxhall; Your Arsenal to Viva Hate; Ringleader to Quarry; Southpaw to Kill Uncle; and Swords to Years of Refusal. So I win.
Vauxhall is inexplicably bland by Morrissey's standards. Only Kill Uncle is a lesser recording (including compilations), not just in my opinion, but in actual fact.
Years of Refusal is class chic.
Come on, Vauxhall95. Plenty of people on here don't like Years. Some of us do, quite a lot. And we've provided reasons why. Nothing blind about that. One would think that blindly supporting an artist would mean loving everything they have produced; disliking ROTT is by definition the opposite of blindness. Implying we are blind for liking a record is quite offensive.
No, because ROTT is actually a far superior record to YOR:
YOR is a timid piece of pop schlock which got what it deserved: poor sales and a disenchantment of many a dedicated Morrissey fan.
Just because I'm the only dumb bastard to constantly point out that fact shouldn't detract from the reality that many a long time forum member departed after YOR.
It was that bad.
For those of us who love Morrissey for his words, YOR was a betrayal.
For the rest of you, I honestly don't understand: do you listen to Morrissey album's for the music? Why not listen to a Buckethead album for the lyrics? It's just asinine.
Yes, my opinion. I have one, it differs from yours. I believe YOR is easily Morrissey's worst lyrical outing. Can you handle that? I am still allowed an opinion, or again: do I have to give a ringing endorsement to all of Morrissey's new material and then wantonly criticize older material like so many? Why do you take such offense to the fact I do not like YOR's when others disparage ROTT? Would you explain that to me defender of the realm.
P.S. Is it possible for you to actually write a post? It's so gutless to pick one liners out and critique them.
Are you that narrowminded? Is a different opinion that incredible to you? The gradation between ROTT and Years is not nearly so great that it's impossible to prefer one to the other; I have the openness of mind to appreciate that some like ROTT more. But to suggest it's "asinine" to prefer one is ludicrous. Interpretation of art is largely subjective. Take a class in aesthetics. Now, if we were talking about the difference between Mozart and Britney Spears, you'd have a point, but we're talking about two similar records by a single artist, so you don't have a point. Now, for the record, I do love Morrissey for his lyricism. I like the lyrics on Years, and I've said why before (I recall you thanking me for my explication). I greatly prefer the lyrics and the music of Years to ROTT.
There's a difference between having an opinion and claiming your opinion is indisputable fact -- I'd suggest against the latter, as it makes you come off as closed-minded. Much like saying that everyone who does not agree with you is a 'mindless drone', 'tool', hasn't had enough tenure as a Morrissey/Smiths fan, etc.
P.S. Again, if you'll read my post, I utilized EVERY part of your quote in my response to you. Analyzing each piece seems more concise than oh, say, generalizing that everyone who disagrees with you is a 'tool'..