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Comments / Notes
the show was nice but there were alot of
Ilovemoz
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 09:04:14 (PST) | #1
God forbid I mention his name on Morrissey-solo, but is there any current news about Johnny?Boy did the news about him playing with Beck get blown out of proportion. On the whole album, he plays guitar on the outro to one song.
Daniel
NYC - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 09:15:44 (PST) | #2
I went to the show on Thursday at The Palladium and I thought it was awesome. Morrissey seemed to be in a great mood, he looked great and he sounded better than ever. Most of the crowd were very true Morrissey fans while the rest looked like some hoochies and thugs you would see at a cheezy R&B concert...I have to say that even though it may offend some people because I was thinking about it and the crowds at a Morrissey concert have changed dramatically over the past 7 years. You long time Morrissey fans know what I mean. I was at the very front of the show for a while and it was "those" people who were seriously pushing people and shoving really hard to get up closer. Honestly, they were a bunch of arseholes that didn't belong there. Other than that, it was a amazing show. I've got a few things that Morrissey threw back into the audience and I got some really good pictures.
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 09:49:27 (PST) | #3
I watched Morrissey at the palladium on wensday night,morrissey preformed really well and I beleive he put on a great show for the crowd. There was alot of drama that night a few fights broke out but over all Morrissey was awsome. As for the crowd it wasnt that bad, thanks to those few guys whom helped me get to the front I actually got to see him close-up and even better got to enjoy all of his preformance. Moz you were great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
anonymous
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 10:38:17 (PST) | #4
i loved the show and have seen all the shows in cali. he was a s good as i saw him way back on the kill uncle tour. so those off you that didn't like it. well you know where to go. i loved it..shane(unluvble1)
shane briley <[email protected]>
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 11:14:29 (PST) | #5
I too went to the show last night. My friend and arrived at the Palladium at around 8 and stood among the crowd on the floor. Sack came on at about 8 and that was a little suprising. I was sure we had missed them being that the show was supposed to start at 6:30. Well, 10 minutes before Morrissey cam on people began pushing all around me. I was about 4 rows out, dead center and I was being pushed back and forth. To that bleach blond chick who's foot I stepped on I apoligise immensely, but I can assure you it was totally unintentional. I also give major props to those short chicks that endure that BS. If society ever falls into roadwarrior type anarchy, I want you in my platoon. Well, he finally came on and people began shoving even more. People were passing out, my friend lost his loafer, and I was beginning to feel light headed. About a song and a half into the set I just had to get out. I pushed back into the crowd and found a place where people were a less aggressive.I thought Morrissey's performance was strong. Speedway and Half a Person were amazing and Meat is Murder was certainly emphatice. There is definately a new generation of Moz fans out there. The only problem is that they don't know any of his songs. I felt like I was the only one getting into it and everyone else was standing with their arms folding. It's still Moz but this had to be the most lethargic crowd that I have ever seen at one of his shows. My friend had a bad time. He lost his shoes and had to stand in the back for his own safety and Moz didn't really play the songs he wanted to hear. Selena from Long beach. Are you short and were you wearing a white top that night? The only reason I ask was because I was in line on Argyle and some chick in front of me was calling out "Selena" "Selena" and a short girl with a white top butted in with her. I thought that might be you. Finally, what the heck did that sign mean, "Can We Have Both." Even Morrissey didn't get it. He said something about the English being dumb, but that flew right over my head too. Of course I'm part English. Somebody please explain to me what that meant. BTW.. I was wearing a 50's style shirt with blue and white longitudinal stripes if anyone recognized me.
Shea <[email protected]>
LA - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 11:19:04 (PST) | #6
I loved the Palladium show, like all of his shows I have seen. But the crowd at this show, and a few others I have seen, has not been fitting to his music. Who are these tough guys pushing girls, getting piss-drunk, starting fights while morrissey is playing? Why the hell were these vatos smoking weed with their rucas at a Morrissey show! I saw two people o.d. before he even went on! Morrissey has never been about being tough, his music and lyrics support that. What is with all of these people who seem like they are there because they are supposed to be there, not because they want to. Nobody new the words except the people in the front. The audiance was completely silent unless he played the Smiths or anything on Viva Hate or Bona Drag. I think he plays the obscure songs for fans like me, who love everything he does, knowing that the rest of the people there will be completely silent not knowing any song he is singing. I saw like 3 people singing to "Lost" in the whole place. The cool girl with the big morrissey pic-tattoo on her back being one of them. That song is beautiful and nobody even cared! Why are people there draped in new leather jackets with leather boots but they still sing along to "Meat is Murder" and cheer when he says his suit is PVC? He plays that song because you don't want to hear it, and he knows you all eat meat! Perhaps the poor guy still wants to feel unloved so he plays what he knows few will appreciate. Well, i know I do, and a lot more do too. I just wish that the fans at a sold out show would show it more!P.S. Does anyone know why Fox 11 news was there?
david
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 12:20:58 (PST) | #7
Shea.....No, I was not the short girl with a white shirt. I was wearing Levis and a Black Morrissey t-shirt. And as for you David...I was standing at the front with all the pushing and shoving and hitting but I left to find a more comfortable spot because I was getting elbowed in my breasts numerous times and I thought that most of the crowd up front were a bunch of idiots. (note *most*) I have been a fan of his for MANY years and I along with others was singing along to his lyrics throughout the show. I found myself a very comfortable spot on the side of the stage near the baracade and I had a much better time there than I did with the rude obnoxious "fans" that were up front, I had a great view of him. I just wanted to say, Does anyone remember that one chunky Mexican guy that kept yelling out in Spanish? You have to remember him...well when Morrissey was singing "half a person" my boyfriend heard this guy saying in spanish "hey, is this a new song or what?" I thought that was SO funny because it just goes to show what I wrote in the prior post.
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 13:09:08 (PST) | #8
I agree with you Selena, there were alot of idiots there both nights. Those pretty boy types and those girls that looked like they were going to a club checking their make-up and hair every 20 minutes. They ruin the shows. Why do they even go? Is it because they're sick of doing drive-bys on the weeknights? Why can't we go back to the good old days when Morrissey concerts were full of us people who were just there to enjoy our beautiful Morrissey? Death to the Morrissey posers!!!
Ordinary Boy
California - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 14:03:10 (PST) | #9
I agree with David. Many of these groups of greasers seemed to be more concerned about looking cool in front of their friends than watching Morrissey. This group of guys I was behind weren't even paying attention to Morrissey, they were busy looking at each other like "are we cool, or what?" I saw some greasers smoking pot in the parking lot. I got beer spilled on me by some drunk guy who kept giving morrissey the f*ck you sign in the English way while yelling out "esteban" with a mexican accent! Then these girls kept yelling "alain! alain! you're so hot!" in this screeching voice.
What is going on?
I remember the days of tall stalks of gladioli, polite guys with UNGREASED quiffs, girls in black, not slutty outfits and painted eyebrows. And alas, the saddest thing of all, the Here-we-go Morrissey chant.
"It just wasn't like the old days anymore..."
lost angeles
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 14:13:09 (PST) | #10
I would love to know why there were so many people there speaking spanish. Don't get me wrong, I am half mexican myself but I dont speak spanish and I dont like it being spoken at a Morrissey concert. It's just wrong!
Eddie
Moz Angeles, California - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 14:14:54 (PST) | #11
I too went to the thurs. show and was along singing every song... and too the question about "we can have both": i think it was referring to "my love life" well thats what i got out of it. Some arsehole geezer kicked my leg for having a lady on my shoulder and i gently apologize..trying to be the gentle and kind moz fan and he then continue to push my friend, like dude, thats uncool, but i have to agree that around me there was a handful of people singing along with all the songs, the others were there i think to see what they have been worshipping. Nonetheless both are cool in my eyes. but i swear i wanted to crack a bottle over that yuppies head, but i never wanted to kill, i am not naturally evil. so to that arsehole i think i deserve an apology cause i gave you yours. Other thoughts that ran through my brain were the sight of actual punks in the crowd, i know a true old school punk and he digs the smiths...who knew. And if anyone knows the titles of those glam punkish songs they were playing before morrissey came out...please e-mail: i found them quite charming.P.S. DId anyone buy that moz shirt with long sleeve for $5 bucks outside. I went home half daize and looked at the damn shirt, and realize it only has one "S" in Morrissey. I just laughed. What a memorable night. Is it me are no one dances at concerts anymore?
Mozcowboy <[email protected]>
Long Beach - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 14:22:42 (PST) | #12
I touched Morrissey at the sound check, he had no real way of knowing in my heart, I begged, "Please Take Me With You, I Don't Care Where Your Going"
Wed. night at the Palladium was just great!
Firts of all let me say that I found Stephen as Charming as always, he is just the greatest. I loved his openig act, I felt such a Moz angel. The band's outfits where really nice too, they all looked so handsome.
My reward came at the end of the night though, when I found myself fighting for a piece of Moz's shirt, and I finally got it a hold of it. It was the off-white shirt, which seams to me like a flannel, my God it smells so good, even today, two days later, I can still smell Moz.
Bottom line, I had the time of my life, just like I always do when I go to any of Moz's concerts.
I also met a chick there named Bridget, from Bell. If your read this just e-mail me when you have time, I was having a good time with you. To bad we got lost in the crowd.
Chela <[email protected]>
Carson - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 14:43:46 (PST) | #13
Mozcowboy: I was the only one dancing in my section and I didn't really care. As for the crowd, I think a lot of people just came to look cool at the concert. This was the place to be on Thursday and all these wannabe's showed up. It seemed to me that it wasn't the rebels that were causing all the problems. Around where I was standing it was all these wonderbreads. Just mainstream guys that really looked out of place. Just a bunch of vanilla boys. It was kind of a battle between these vanilla boys that were strong and could bully people around, and the Morrissey diehards that didn't want to get pushed around, but we're still going to fight tooth and nail, to keep their precious spots up close to the stage.Selena: You may not have been the one in the white top but if you remember cutting into the line with friends on Argyle then you were definately part of the bunch. I'm not mad or anything,. I got in with plenty of time. I just never thought Selena was a common name. An another note: I've decided that this is my last Morrissey show. I still have his albums but I'm not going to any more live shows. I had fun but this was my third time seeing him and I'm done. He's one of my favorite artist but as far as concerts, I can't put any of his shows in the top 5 that I've seen. I hope that some day I may just run into him walking his dog in Los Feliz or Silverlake or something and we can just chat. That would just make it for me.
Shea <[email protected]>
LA - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 14:51:07 (PST) | #14
I went to both shows in Hollywood and I am going to see Moz in Ventura. I saw him years ago and the fans have definitely changed. It is all about being seen and some of the outfits I saw on some girls..yikes. Nonetheless, I had a great time. Morrissey is a true performer. I will always be a true fan no matter who is "fans" are.
Ms_Diva2000 <[email protected]>
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 15:02:20 (PST) | #15
"Hi my name is Oscar de la MOZZA and its great to be back in MOZ Angeles"
That was classic and i wonder if any celeberties were back stage, maybe even Oscar de la Hoya was back there.And nobody mentioned it but i though SACK was great and that was i first time hearing their music. just great.
Alexandra Bastedo <[email protected]>
Anywhere but where - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 15:08:01 (PST) | #16
both nights were unbelievable-i mean ya there are some people who just don't know how to relax and enjoy the show but some of you guys are being totally racist-who cares if people are speaking spanish-that's not even the issue-people just need to kick back a little-oh and who cares if people don't know the words to all his songs-not everyone is hardcare fan-doesn't mean they can't enjoy the show-you guys are just being too critical and way too dramatic
seven
la la land - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 15:16:20 (PST) | #17
i went to the palladium both nights.and i'll never go see morrissey again in hollywood.it was awful. were in the hell are these new fans coming from.MORRISSEY was great but the crowed wasn't.there are just way to many young kids trying to pick up!!
ROXy
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 15:20:16 (PST) | #18
I totally agree with all of you, the Morrissey crowd has definitely changed over the years. (Where do these people come from?). I can remember back in the '80s where most if not all of his fans were nice and decent guys and girls, no greasers, no hoochies, no tough guys. Everyone treated everyone with respect; no fights, no pushing, no shoving, just friends. Now, you have these REBELS (without a cause) trying to impress each other or to see who's the bigger Morrissey fan. They're the one's who ruin the shows. Don't get me wrong, I still love going to see Morrissey. I've enjoyed his shows for the past decade+ and I'll never stop going. But things have definitely changed.
unloveable
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 15:43:27 (PST) | #19
I think some of you are looking at the old days through smokey lenses. Do you guys and gals remember the show at Pauly Pavilion back in 92 I think. Morrissey invited fans to come up close and there was a freakin stampede. People were actually injured in that incident. So don't tell me that it's only these new fans that push people around because there was plenty of it in the old days as well. I knew that in a venue without seats, it was going to be like this. Whenever Moz plays, people will fight to get close to him.
Shea <[email protected]>
LA - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 16:22:59 (PST) | #20
I WAS AT THE SHOW LAST NIGHT AT THE PALADIUM AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYONE. WHAT THE HELL IS
WRONG WITH PEOPLE NOW A DAY. I REMEMBER WHEN
PEOPLE WOULD GO TO A CONCERT TO ENJOY IT, NOT TO
START FIGHTING WITH EVERYNE JUST TO GET A CLOSER
LOOK AT MOZ HIMSELF. I THOUGHT THE SHOW ROCKED. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT IF IT WASNT FOR THOSE GUYS IN THE CENTER OF THE CROWD PUSHING AND SHOVING
EVERYONE. AND MUCH THANKS TO THE GUY WHO SAVED ME
FROM BEING SMASHED ON THE FLOOR I WAS THE ONE WITH BLUE PANTS WITH LEPOARD ON THE BOTTOM ....... MUCH THANKS GOES OUT TO YOU FOR HELPING AND PRACICALLY
SAVING ME........ I ONLY WISH THAT THESE POSER MOZ FANS WOULD REALIZE ITS A CONCERT NOT SOME HOOCHIE
CLUB...... I MEAN SOME OF THESE GIRLS WERE HALF
NAKED AND LOOKED LIKE THEY SHOULD BE AT THE ARENA
INSTEAD OF A MORRISSEY CONCERT. ALL IN ALL MOZ
MADE MY DAY WHEN HE SANG ALMA MATTERS AND LOST OMG I GOT CHILLS DOWN MY SPINE.......IT WAS A GREAT
SHOW AND DAMN DID HE LOOK SEXY ..... PERHAPS FOR
THAT CERTAIN MAN UP IN THE BACK BALCONY HE KEPT
SINGING TOO ???? ......... KEEP IT UP MOZ YOUR THE GREATEST.....
ESTHER <[email protected]>
LA PUENTE,CA - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 17:02:28 (PST) | #21
YA im gonna have to agree with everyone about how bad the crowd was at the Thursday night show at the Palladium....i mean come on!...i had concerns that i needed to bring my bullet proof jacket..it was horrible everyone pretended they liked him and yelled when he came out but no one new any of the songs...i have been a Morrissey fan for about 12 years now and i cant beleive the crowd that is being drawn in....are the crowds like this everywhere???!....i have only seen him in CA and it has been the same for some years now and its making me sick.......other than that i loved the show he did a great job...im really glad he played "tommorow" great song....yes it was funny that he played all the songs that he know would throw the people that have only been listening to him since his last album...it was great....more power to ya Moz...
Drew
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 17:06:33 (PST) | #22
In regards to the "We Can Have Both" sign, are you guys all forgeting the B-side "I Can Have Both?" Perhaps the person was trying, probably unsuccessfully, to be clever?
Darrow
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 17:09:36 (PST) | #23
Morrissey is a big boxing fan and seems to be now heavy on his spanish culture, thats maybe why he mentioned himself as being Oscar de la Mozza, referring to the great mexican-american boxer Oscar de la Hoya.I though Morrissey look great in his leather Elvis get-up. But how did he change his pants between songs so fast. And it was funny that he did play songs rarely heared by any typical KROQ listener, but the selection was grand. I have to get me one of those ties that Gary and the guys were wearing. They look classic, i hope someone can post pictures.
Moz cowboy <[email protected]>
Long Beach - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 18:35:28 (PST) | #24
I agree with most of you, the crowd was really rough last nite, i was in front against the rail and for those of you who say we were beng abnoxious and rude, the reason we were being rude was because everyone was pushing us really hard against that metal rail, i really do think you guys would be the same if you were in our position.But on the other hand we understand how it must of been to be in the midst of all that pushing, punching, and kicking, i too was kicked in the head a couple times from all those girls getting pulled out. I just wish i knew why people were like that i mean you can sy him from whatever distance you may be from the stage, just relax and enjoy the show, you may of thought we enjoyed the show from where we were, yes it was a greta show but we had to go through what all of you did and more. So cut us some slack huh? If you want to be in front get there earlier like the rest of us. But all in all i had a WONDERFUL time meeting all of the kinder and gentler Morrissey fans. I am a young Morrissey fan, but i didnt jump on the Moz band-wagon, i know his songs and i sang along because no matter what its his lyrics which made me adore him. Sorry for taking up so much space, and please forgive if i have offended anyone with my post. "I LOVE YOU ALL, REALLY I DO"
Lost Cause <Lost Cause59 @aol.com>
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 18:47:07 (PST) | #25
I have enjoyed reading all of your comments. While I attended shows in Santa Barbara and Thousand Oaks in 97 and will be attending in Ventura I look forward again to seeing the beautiful one we call Mozz. And after reading some of your not so pleasant concert experiences something obvious occured to me. Fewer and fewer fans appreciate the beauty of Morrissey let alone beauty in general. The shows have becaome more about them and less and less about the poetic genious that we are so blessed to be able to see live. To those "fans" out there who rough up girls, and put on some sort of costume that is supposed to impress all of us, I say wake up and open your eyes because if you don't you are going to miss one of the most talented and amazing performers of our time. While it may be somewhat upsetting that fans may have changed over the years, there is comfort to me in the fact that "He" has remained the same, poetic, charming, mysterious, charismatic. He is the reason I go, and when all is said and done, and the "faux fans" have gone, it will be "Him" that keeps the true fans together."Goodnight and thank you."
L.J.
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 18:50:34 (PST) | #26
I agree with most of you, the crowd was really rough last nite, i was in front against the rail and for those of you who say we were beng abnoxious and rude, the reason we were being rude was because everyone was pushing us really hard against that metal rail, i really do think you guys would be the same if you were in our position.But on the other hand we understand how it must of been to be in the midst of all that pushing, punching, and kicking, i too was kicked in the head a couple times from all those girls getting pulled out. I just wish i knew why people were like that i mean you can sy him from whatever distance you may be from the stage, just relax and enjoy the show, you may of thought we enjoyed the show from where we were, yes it was a greta show but we had to go through what all of you did and more. So cut us some slack huh? If you want to be in front get there earlier like the rest of us. But all in all i had a WONDERFUL time meeting all of the kinder and gentler Morrissey fans. I am a young Morrissey fan, but i didnt jump on the Moz band-wagon, i know his songs and i sang along because no matter what its his lyrics which made me adore him. Sorry for taking up so much space, and please forgive if i have offended anyone with my post. "I LOVE YOU ALL, REALLY I DO"
Lost Cause <Lost Cause59 @aol.com>
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 18:51:08 (PST) | #27
I'm very sorry i have incorrectly spelled some words, so ill clear them up.
sy-see
beng-being
greta-greatOnce again SORRY
Lost Cause <Lost Cause [email protected]>
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 18:52:53 (PST) | #28
P.S.
I would love to meet up with any of you who are going to the Ventura show. It would be great to hook up before or after the show.Best wishes to all. L.J.
L.J. <[email protected]>
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 18:53:18 (PST) | #29
I am hoping that it is all just a faze that these newcomers are going through. I went to the bathroom once and I seen all these girls in there fixing their makeup and making sure that they were showing enough of their boobs...it was really sad to see these types of people at such a show. I met some really nice people in the crowd...this one girl named Emily who was with her boyfriend...they were both really nice people. Thats how it should be, you should be able to go to Morrissey shows and meet different people...nice people...not rude obnoxious idiots. Shea once again, that was not me...I went with my boyfriend and it was just me and him...we got there at 6pm and went to the back of the line so It must have been someone else with the same name as me. Anyhow, to those of you who are just as frustrated with the new crowds as I am....just keep hoping that it is only a faze that these "people" are going through.
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 19:21:30 (PST) | #30
To Morrissey:Thanx extremely for playing "Half A Person". That was the first Morrissey/Smiths song i ever heard when i was being noisy in my older cousin's closet. I when i heard that song i felt something i never did about any other song i heard. I'm just sad that i don't feel the same way when i hear smiths song now like i did when i was that brat of a 14 year old. I guess i played them out and seem like daily anthems to me. Maybe i should lock all my Morrissey/Smiths cds in a time capsule and rediscover them like in 10 years to get those old chills. But thanx Morrissey for adding "half a person" in the set. it was truly a christmas wish. thanx. Truly can't wait for your next album. And Sack was just splendid. Do they have a album by any chance...well if they do i'm buying it.
Moz cowboy <[email protected]>
Long Beach - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 20:03:21 (PST) | #31
I was at the show on thur. too i must say that i did enjoy it, but there was alot "imposters". i was very dissapointed when people were getting on other peoples sholders because us people in the back could not see.Morrissey was great but most of the people there seemed very fake, i was standing there with my brother and there was a guy standing next to me who said "this show sucks lets go!" and his girlfriend didnt want to so he got mad and sat down on the floor, and starting mocking MOZ i felt like just punching right in the face, but i didnt because this was my first Morrissey show and i didnt want to spoil it. Ive been a fan for years but i live in the middle of no where and never get to go out. i agree with most of you , I LOVE YOU ALL!!!! if you want to E-mail me PLEASE do so i dont know many MOZ fans so please fell free.GOODBYE...
Mariza Martinez <[email protected]>
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 20:37:35 (PST) | #32
I was at the show on thur. too i must say that i did enjoy it, but there was alot "imposters". i was very dissapointed when people were getting on other peoples sholders because us people in the back could not see.Morrissey was great but most of the people there seemed very fake, i was standing there with my brother and there was a guy standing next to me who said "this show sucks lets go!" and his girlfriend didnt want to so he got mad and sat down on the floor, and starting mocking MOZ i felt like kicking him in the eye, but i didnt because this was my first Morrissey show and i didnt want to spoil it. Ive been a fan for years but i live in the middle of no where and never get to go out. i agree with most of you , I LOVE YOU ALL!!!! if you want to E-mail me PLEASE do so i dont know many MOZ fans so please fell free.Morrissey i love you and keep doing what your doing.GOODBYE...
Mariza Martinez <[email protected]>
- Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 20:39:56 (PST) | #33
First of all I have to say that Thursday's show was awsome! Morrissey looked good, and I have to say I had a better view than the last time I saw him(Greek Theater). Another thing I have never read so much racists comments @ a Moz web page. What's the deal if some of his fans are of Mexican or Latin decent? Hey they are Moz fans and they have all they right in the world to be there, and there not any less of fans just because they don't know the lirics to songs like: THE BOY RACER, OR MEAT IS MURDER.Im actually glad that there are more various types of races that are into Moz , even if the only song they like is Maladjusted, or Suedehead, hey some people have lives and don't spent there hole life listening to Moz! Hey I have been a fan since the Your Arsenal album, and there were some song's I didn't recognize.People have to be less stressed and relax and ejoy a show, no matter what type of people are there. AM I going to start bitching if a White boy shows up to the Mayan during salsa night? No you just have to be cool and relax and have a great time, hell this might be the last time we all get to see one of the greatest performers of our time. PS: FOX was there on the Wendsday show b/c
some fight or something.
Jose Soto <[email protected]>
MOZ Angeles, California. - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 21:20:48 (PST) | #34
not stir up any more trouble but i believe you will find the same crowd, at the rage against the machine concert on sunday.it seems posers have no roots (they lean towards the in-thing), don't comprehend the concepts projected towards them, do not apreciate artistic integrity, only intrested in being there, just to say they were, and only listen to "suedehead".
i could go on, but i've wasted to much energy already.....
handsome devil
los angeles - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 21:27:53 (PST) | #35
What's with all this superficial judgemental pretensiousness? Grow up people..The highlight of the SD show is the boy that got his jeans around his ankles when Morrissey pulled him on stage. He nonetheless huged & kissed Morrissey while his pants were down. It was funny & erotic at once........
Aesthetician <[email protected]>
San Diego - Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 21:44:58 (PST) | #36
Reading all the comments about the Paladium shows makes me glad I stayed home, I've seen, "His Mozzness" six times and enjoyed every damn one. But have noticed over the years how the Fandom has diminished over the years and it has broke my heart. I remember going to shows and sharing special moments with true followers and enjoying those moments, now you've got every sixteen year-old in a four area code district trying to be tough infiltrating what was at one time special to many of us on this message board, after going to the Vegas show that The Mozzer cancelled and not seeing anyone as upset as I was at the dissapointment of not being in his presence, I decided it was time to move on from the intimate experience I so enjoyed. So this goes out to those who truly understand and appreciate my name, may it never be, "Vogue" to be a Mozzer fan again, so us ageless wonders can start attending shows again and let him experience his true fans!!!!!!
The Ankle Star <[email protected]>
Newcastle in Corona? - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 00:54:02 (PST) | #37
I have to say I am dissapointed with a lot of these postings. I don't understand how a person is able to dictate who is worthy and who is not worthy of going to see Morrissey in concert. If a wannabe Greaser or vatobilly wants to idolize Morrissey...what's the problem with that? Let's see here...hmmm...Elvis and James Dean were both Greaser tough guys with a sensitive side...the people Morrissey has himself idolized. Let's see...shall we mention various members of organized crime syndicates he has also idolized in his past. Even Morrissey has been fascinated by violence, Macho tough guys, and Greaserdom. So...should we then expect Morrissey to be a violent, macho, Greaser...just because he has shown interst in those things? I would hope not. So why then is it that an ignorant, violent, macho, greaser wannabe bastard...not be allowed to listen to Morrissey? If anything...I would hope that Morrissey would greatly influence these guys to change their ways.I believe it is possible to be able to listen to someone and not agree with them...and still enjoy them. Wannabes are everywhere...even Mozzer's band has em...Teddy Boys...English Rockabillies...who stand on stage and mimmick a style which originated in the U.S. But nobody points fingers at these guys...because these guys are cool cats that rock and please...bringing smiles to all our faces. Still...they're posers...and so is every modern-day Greaser (myself included) trying to hold onto to a faded past...trying to relive the times which we weren't there to experience. But even through our poser states...we may not be living in the 50's anymore...but it's a sweet way to live life. Our good friend Boz is an amazing well-respected Rockabilly musician, still playing with some of the originals, the guys who helped create the style...and a lot of these cats accept Boz as part of their circle...though he's an English Wannabe...adopted into the style by the father's of Rockabilly...and adored by Morrissey fans all around the world. Everywhere you go in life you will find arseholes. Everywhere you go in life you will find posers and wannabes. If you don't want to be roughed up at a show...get a seat and watch the show with a great view. We all have our ideals of what a show should be like...what the band should play...who the crowd should be...how many times you get to land on stage and leach onto Moz...but reality is this...It's here and It's now...so lets stop whining and make the best of it...within our own abilities. I love The Cure and I'm going to go see them live when they come out...
I hope the Gothic kids don't get down on me for not dressing up like The Crow...
Javier Obregon <[email protected]>
Montclair, CA - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 02:39:01 (PST) | #38
As humanity moves into the dawn of a new and uncertain future, we look back upon our collective past. In the annals of history, many have achieved greatness, yet one individual towers above all others as the most significant single force of the last thousand years. Whether in war or peace, feast or famine, prosperity or economic ruin, the Man Of The Millennium has touched all our lives. No one has had a greater, more permanent impact on our shared human condition.More than anyone else the passing age has truly belonged to the black-cloaked figure who has been everpresent in our species' most horrific and agonized nightmares, the shrieking, unstoppable wraith known as Morrissey Himself. Morrissey: master of humanity and ultimate reaper of us all. While other fads and fancies came and went this millennium, Morrissey was always with us. Over the course of the past 10 centuries, his merciless grip on our fragile mortal shells remained constant, and his impact on our world only grew. While such would-be Men Of The Millennium as Genghis Khan, Napoleon and Hitler all rose only to ultimately fall, Morrissey's fortunes never ebbed. He is everywhere and in every thing. And, in the end, it is his name who is on everyone's lips. He is the true mover and shaker, the ultimate trend. Whatever advances are made in health and medicine, he will never be in danger of going out of style. When the Saxons battled the Normans at Hastings in 1066, he was there, triumphantly laughing amidst the blood and gore. When nearly half the population of Europe fell to the bubonic plague in 1350, he was responsible. When the vaunted Spanish Armada sank beneath the unforgiving waves in 1588, it was his bony hand that reached up to pull the screaming sailors to their briny, sea-bottom graves. From the Battle of Agincourt to the mustard-gas attacks along the trenches of World War I, he pulled the strings. And when the secrets of the atom were unleashed upon Hiroshima, it was he who permanently etched the shadows of the ruined city's schoolchildren on its blasted walls. Morrissey is ruler of all that is, conquering all and beholden to none. Never has there lived a single stalk of grass, beast of land, air or sea, or baby at its mother's tender breast that has escaped him. He is the single driving constant that motivates our actions and shapes our fears and dreams before spurring us on into eternal oblivion. We writhe helplessly in his cold embrace, all of us--loved and hated, rich and poor, small and great alike. No one is too mighty for him to topple, and nothing is too insignificant to go unnoticed by his unceasing and relentless gaze. Behold Morrissey: destroyer of kings, conqueror of the mighty, despoiler of all that is. Behold his awesome power and cry out in shame and terror! Each year, MLU chooses one influential person to honor above all others. Past winners have included such individuals of consequence as John Ritter, The Denorex Guy and The Man. This tradition of excellence has continued uninterrupted for thousands of years, with the sole exception of 1998, the only year when no candidate could be found who met The Mlu's lofty standards. Yet this year, the honor was even more important, for it marked not just the selection of a man of the year, but of the entire millennium. It may seem that no one could possibly be worthy of such a title. Yet there is such a figure: Morrissey, who, time and time again, proved his incomparable significance, not only for this past millennium, but for all millennia. And he will continue to do so until the end of time itself. Thus, MLU's choice for Man Of The Millennium was clear. His name is known to every soul: Morrissey! The cold, black, silent, eternal nothingness of nonexistence! The inevitable, inescapable, unyielding embrace of the tomb! The final, insistent beckoning arms of the grave! Morrissey! Who can say they have not unleashed a shriek of unholy terror in the dead of night at the very contemplation of his omnipresent shroud? Who dares pretend they are immune to the ultimate fate that awaits each of us? What fool defies him? All shall succumb! All shall perish in the cold, uncaring, skeletal arms of He Who Shall Not Be Denied! Everywhere on the planet, in every moment of this sad and fleeting life, can be heard the relentless pounding of his scythe upon the ground as he walks, echoing from mountain to seabed, sounding: "DOOM! DOOM! DOOM!" What use is there in trying to resist him? What use is there in pretending to refuse his unending omnipotence? He has reigned supreme over all creation, bowing to none, however powerful, however proud, for the last thousand years and forevermore! Everyone who has ever lived since the dawn of time--wealthy or downtrodden, foolish or wise, innocent or guilty--they all are equal now in his terrible faceless sight! Morrissey!
Morrissey
- Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 07:10:34 (PST) | #39
From now on...nobody say anything unless it's important. I'm tired of everyones nonsense.
Jamie
Rationalworld - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 08:23:24 (PST) | #40
IN REFERENCE TO POST #39.......THAT WAS A WONDERFULLY UN-ORIGINAL CUT AND PASTE JOB YOU JUST STOLE FROM "THE ONION" NEWSPAPER. (SEE WWW.THEONION.COM) (DEATH WINS MAN OF THE MILLINEUM)...PLAGERISM BEGINS AT HOME I SUPPOSE......
AS FOR THE REST OF YOU RACIST IDIOTS: YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THERE WERE MEXICAN FANS AT A SHOW IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA!! I CANT BELIEVE IT. GET OVER YOURSELVES. I'M CERTAIN MORRISSEY WAS HAPPY TO HAVE THEM ALL THERE AS THEY ALL REPRESENTED A TICKET SALE.
goodbye to you my trusted friend
screaming with joy; mortally depressed - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 08:50:41 (PST) | #41
Morrissey concerts have always been a place that we as a small intimate crowd could go and get away from all the others....a place that only certain people would go to......honestly, I feel like something important has been taken away from me and been split up between 2,000 people and I am sitting here left with a very small piece. You know, maybe it wouldn't be that bad if these new people who were coming to the shows were nice, kind hearted people....maybe then I/we wouldn't feel that cheated.I find it extremely disappointing to go to a show and find these rude arseholes pushing people around where there used to be kind gentle souls all going for the same reason......to see a man who we all love and respect. I do not want to have to go to a Morrissey show with a bunch of disrespectful, ignorant children.....and a bunch of hoochies dressed up like little tramps. I am not being racist, and I am sick of people jumping to that conclusion when they have no other means of an argument. If you found the shows or Morrissey for that matter as important as many of us do then you would understand where I/we are coming from.
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 10:21:40 (PST) | #42
I went to the show on 12/15 at the Palladium, and it was my first time seeing Morrissey live. It was an incredible performance and it won't be the last one that I see. At the beginning, I was about 4 rows away from the stage, but had to back up cause of people pushing. Also, got to meet great people specially a girl name Leslie who's b-day happened to be on that day and what better way to celebrate it then being at the front row of a Morrissey concert?.. eventually with 5 songs left we did. Happy bday!p.s. I read about the Smiths/Morrissey convention in April, if that's correct, I'm there.
Sigo <[email protected]>
- Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 13:37:56 (PST) | #43
JAVIER said it bestI remember being in high school and encouraging my fellow classmates to listen to Morrissey and The Smiths. But i felt like i was the only one in on this tresure and that no one was experiencing what i was experiencing. It was so typical for a Morrissey fan to say "no one gives Morrissey respect, they don't play his songs"...then you get your irony when thousands of new kids/fans are starting to realize what you were talking about when you mentioned Morrissey and can't resist but to fall in love with this gentle creature that he is. Now every one is like there's to many people listening to Morrissey. You can't have it both ways. That's what i think Javier was trying to state. Everyone at the Morrissey show rightfully paid for their ticket and if the people who have been harsh on this comment board only wanted Morrissey fans to attend that were fit to go in your eyes, there would probably just be you. Because we all feel like we know Morrissey the most and feel the most dedicated. I was glad it was sold-out and to see the countless fans feel his presense. Now thats your irony for you. Next time you love an artist like you do Morrissey...just don't tell no one about your secret passion, cause he just might become a pop icon, due to your ideal hands and lips. As much as i want to, i just can't hold Morrissey only to myself, i have to share him with the world.
Moz cowboy <[email protected]>
Long Beach - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 13:39:02 (PST) | #44
No one has had a greater, more permanent impact on our shared human condition.
RUI ALVES <[email protected]>
- Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 13:48:34 (PST) | #45
I wasn't at the Ventura shows, but I WAS at the San Diego show and the case wasn't much different with the NEW FANS. I was on the floor being pushed around by the mob as well and I never gave up my spot. My friend and I are over 6' and we stood our ground (even pushed the idiots away that pushed into us). Since when have we started to get close to Mosh Pitting at a MOZ concert??? (i'm referring to those jerk offs on the floor that wrestled for Moz's T-shirt for 2 whole songs .... get a life guys)!I have a theory on the new breed of Moz fans in SoCal. Back in the early days .. those of us that can remember when the Smiths actually came in concert ... The Smiths and then solo Moz got great reviews on their work. Now, to be honest, there is little to no media hype when our "Charming Man" puts out a new album. The reviews (at least down here in SD) are terrible, and sadly, there are brainless sheep out there that listen to the critics. A lot of the old liners (unlike most of us here) have stopped buying his albums (yes, I still call them Albums) so MOZ needs a new audience if he's going to keep selling records. Sadly, even our Moz needs to sell records if he's going to keep getting signed by record labels. So, where else can he go? I'm only 27, but the High Schoolers of today don't even know who Moz is (at least the ones at my company) and when you mention the Smiths they say "Oh yeah, The Queen Is Dead, right?" or something of that nature. These kids are all buying Korn, NIN and Offspring albums, and while there is nothing wrong with that, they AREN'T buying Moz albums. Where does our Moz have left to turn? The Latinos. That's right boys and girls, they are a new and HUGE market for any singer (especially in SoCal), so why not appeal to them? His songs play on the Mexican radio station down here every now and then (in English of course) and commercials for his concert were more heard on the Latin stations than on 91X (and even they seem to have given up support of our boy). "Oye Esteban", doesn't that say enough? Get used to it my friends, we can't reverse the clock and bring back the days when we'd go to his shows in Cardigans and black jeans. The new look seems to be Black Leather Jackets and 50's style Bowling shirts. It may seem sad, but we have to accept them if we're going to enjoy the shows. I for one will still be in my Black Jeans and Cardigan like early Moz, so look for me at his next San Diego and we'll stand together as a big group so Moz can see that his die hards are still out there and we still love him and his message of Love has not been forgotten. Moz, "I touched you at the soundcheck. You had no real way of knowing in my heart, I begged take me with you!" -Dougal ps. Please forgive any spelling or grammatical errors, I lost my glasses and can barely read what I'm writing but I just had to speak my mind.
Dougal <[email protected]>
- Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 14:53:50 (PST) | #46
I had a roommate once who is hispanic and visited Mexico quite a bit. Unlike here in the United States, Morrissey has a much bigger and stronger foothold down there. New Wave is really big to the point that artists that have limited appeal in the states are much more widely known. Mexico City is the largest city on the planet and can support playing artists like Morrissey.Since many people in the North keep in touch with family in Mexico, it is natural that the musical trends follow. As far as getting into anyone's good graces and luring a new audience, Morrissey was never a monster success in the states. He never sold 7 million copies of any of his albums. Why don't you take him as what he is lucky to be: an artist with a long career. There are other younger people out there who are dying to go through their cooler older sibling's record collections. How do you think Bob Dylan's stuff continually finds a new audience?
suzanne
take me home country road - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 15:52:13 (PST) | #47
I am an English guy from Manchester. I'm 28 and have been into The Smiths/Morrissey since I was about 13 (Basically from the begining). I saw The Smiths many times from the Meat is Murder tour and have seen Morrissey many times. Anyway, The first American shows I saw were at The Hollywood Palladium on Wed. & Thurs. It is very different from England. But of course it's different. There aren't to many people from Mexico in England!! And as far as you lot complaing about "greasers" etc. I don't understand. Tolerance my friends. Just cause someones different doesn't mean there bad. And so what if someone was speaking Spanish. I've never heard such crap before how it's just not right at a Morrissey show. I though "they" all livened it up and gave the show some atmosphere. It is definately different from how it used to be and to be honest with you, i prefer how it used to be but times change, Morrissey's changed so my friends, bend or break. By the way my quiff is not greased but i thought it looked pretty cool so I might just give it a try. Oh Well, back to my rented room in Whalley Range..... (for the guy who thought Meat Is murder was a new song - don't worry, you won't get the Whalley range thing)
mozUK
- Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 15:57:54 (PST) | #48
i went to see moz on thurs. at the palladium, i'm going tonight too, at Ventura. It really seemed like a fasion show more than a concert. Some people try too damn hard to look "Cool".
fathomless <[email protected]>
Moz Angeles - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 17:52:17 (PST) | #49
james dean was not a greaser, get your facts straight
j.b.d.
fairmount, indiana - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 17:56:19 (PST) | #50
Hello, Ive been a Smiths/Morrissey fan for close to nine years, and last thrusday was the first time I had the chance to see him. I was so sad I couldnt go to Wed. show, arhg! I had finals.. but once I got to the Palladium I expected a diverse crowd, after all it is Los Angeles, I've been to different concerts ranging from spanish rock and other gigs, I just though I was was going to relax and see my idol in the flesh, I was dead wrong too many people trying to cause things.I was happy to hear Sack for the first time, I though they were a good group, somewhat reminded me of Smoking Popes, but once they finished everyone got too roudy, I just kept thinking, "the great man and his band will eventualy play, why not just talk to other Morrissey fans", I havent chatted with much Morrissey fans, let alone Smiths fans, and thursday night was the first time I actually got a chance to see some of them. I got really upset when everyone started to push, I got beer and water spilled on me and my legs really hurt from tippy-toeing all night trying to see Morrissey I guess in the long run it was worth every second of seeing him the the flesh, I just could not believe it was really Steven sweating, being charming and most of all, being himself. I really look foward in seeing the band again in Las Vegas, I guess I can now die happy if only I could see The Smiths in concert, but well.. thats a whole different story that will not happen, hey, people change and the past is the past. LOVE PEACE AND HARMONY TO EVERYONE MORRISSEY AND ESPECIALLYEVERY SMITHS FAN OUT IN THE WORLD :0)
ILVMOZ <[email protected]>
- Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 18:37:06 (PST) | #51
p.s
I just got really upset when people were using the "f" word too much, ITS a MORRISSEY concert people, I know that there are alot of people who have grown up differently, I am one of them that got Mr. Morrissey's manner rubbing-off on me since an early age. oh well, you cant really change the world ......
ILVMOZ <[email protected]>
- Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 18:52:37 (PST) | #52
DOUGAL-
YOU ARE AN IDIOT. "THAT'S RIGHT BOYS AND GIRLS-LATINOS"!!!!!!!!! A NEW AND HUGE MARKET????????? NEW MARKET??????? MY GOD YOU ARE STUPID. YOU SOUND LIKE LATINOS JUST DISCOVERED MUSIC YESTERDAY. MY GOD YOU ARE STUPID.
goodbye to you my trusted friend
screaming with joy; mortally depressed - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 18:53:58 (PST) | #53
Theres no need to be rude to Dougal.....he is so right!! "YOU SOUND LIKE LATINOS JUST DISCOVERED MUSIC YESTERDAY." what does that mean? LOL....Latinos have not always listened to Morrissey...not hard core Latinos anyways. Most of them have just jumped on the bandwagon because it's what all their friends are doing. And dont start with that racist crap, I am sick of hearing that! It's the truth, you are just too damn blind to see it. I remember when I was in High School, I used to get crap from all these people because of the music that I liked...I was considered a "weirdo"....we all were. I was probably one of the nicest people there but I got classified as being weird because I wore black and listened to bands like The Smiths, The Cure...etc...I hated it! And now its these same idiots who are sitting there at Morrissey concerts saying "Is this a new song" whenever he sings a Smiths song. These people just need to crawl back under the loser rock that they came out from under and go back to their Hip-Hop concerts. You need to take another look at whos stupid girly. GoodNight
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 20:05:05 (PST) | #54
In refrence to
goodbye to you my trusted friend
Yo matey, dont be such a jerk, its meant to be taken as funny not original.
Ya white pansy cracker!
Morrissey
- Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 20:27:48 (PST) | #55
i would just like to add ,what was the point of waiting in line since 8 am? i got there at 5pm and was closer to moz than people who were the first ones in! i definitely think the crowd was too rough and was disgusted by some of the people there,so-called moz fans.i mean they were blocking the view of some us true moz fans and starting fights! eeeek! i am so very sickened
girl least likely to...
Los Angeles - Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 01:29:11 (PST) | #56
Goodbye to you my trusted friend ... whatever you wish to think of me is just fine. If you failed to see the point of my argument then so be it. I would like to thank Selena and Morrissey for defending me and for their capacity to read my words for what they mean. 'Goodbye' ... of course Latinos (or whatever the politically correct term of the day is for people of Hispanic descent ... I was trying to be PC) are not a New market in the US. But, my friend, they are a new TARGET audience for Moz and if you can't see that then perhaps a little research on your part may be in order before you lambast someone for trying to share his ideas.And in case you think I am a racist 'Goodbye', read my message again. I said we need to accept the new audience, not fight against it. If the "racist" card never entered your head, then good for you. Too many people in this PC world of ours seem to throw that card out whenever they hear something they don't agree with and I truly hope you are not one of them. If Moz's appeal to a newer audience means he can keep entering the studio and blessing us with his gifted pipes .. then I say "Good for him"! It's Moz I care more about, not the crowd (except of course the people getting drunk, high and rowdy .. and those attributes belong to no color and creed). Thank you all for you Love of Moz. We take the time to read and post on this board, which says volumes for our devotion! -Dougal ps. thanks again to Selena and Morrissey for their kind defense of a total stranger! :)
Dougal
- Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 02:37:57 (PST) | #57
I attended the Morrissey gig at Leeds Town and Country on November 10th (that's England you know)Due to me being a new Morrissey fan (I am 16) this was the first time I have ever seen him live. I queued up for about 2-3 hours to get in, so I had a perfect view. After a while, numerous skinheads decided it would be rather funny to throw people who had queued for hours to the back - thus resulting in a rather violent fight that lasted for about an hour and a half. Unfortunately, instead of Morrissey discouraging this (as I thought he would) he seemed to bathe in the glory of skinheads fighting and crushing to the front, and I severely got the impression that Morrissey was not on 'my' side, but on these uneducated, revolting fascist thugs side. I think the 'outsiders', who Morrissey so easily attracts, were made to feel outsiders! Morrissey delivered an excellent show, filled with, wit, charisma and charm (e.g. "My face is leaving town in ten minutes - be on it") but if he is to retain any respect at all from my part, he ought to appeal to educated, intelligent people (which he can do) instead of mind-numbing thugs. I hope he reads this.
Kate <[email protected]>
- Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 04:41:12 (PST) | #58
In regards to the review given in the L.a. times, I hate to say it, but this review held up to its nature for the Ventura show as well. The night started off to a bad start where I waited for 3 hours in line, just to get in. After making my way through all the Morrissey wannabees.... I finally made it down to the theater, to find to my surpise no seats. Which really pissed me off! I went down to the front of the theater and was nearly trampeled to death when Moz threw his pink shirt into the crowd. The show was even stopped during , "Half a Person," due to too many idiots charging Moz. Not only was that a problem, I lost my hearing in my left ear and my back and knees were aching the entire time during the show. The music was okay except for the constant draining out of Moz's voice by the guitars and whatnot. It was complete chaos with people drunk as hell, screaming out his name and spilling their drinks on me. Even a few fights broke out between security and the fans. All and all I thought this gig was pure @#!!!e. I would take a Smiths concert any day over this show. Morrissey doesn't have the magic like he used to, when Johnny, Andy and Mike were near his side. His backing band is @#!!!e... trying to pump out old Smiths tunes. They did a pretty good job of butchering those Smiths songs into homogenized pieces of cow @#!!!. Hell, he didn't even perform , "Everyday is Like Sunday," or "Suedehead." What's the deal with that? Moz, please quit before you become a Mick Jagger.....-kUrt
kURT <[email protected]>
- Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 11:05:31 (PST) | #59
I attended the concert on Wendsday I thought it was good, I had a great time. Yet I do agree he did not sing any of his better hits. I did not understand his justification for wearing the foux leather outfit.
Cynthia from CSULB
Alhambra - Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 11:23:46 (PST) | #60
In stark contrast to "Kurt." I've seen Moz's latest tour dates in Santa Barbara, Coachella, and Ventura last night. My friends and I thought the show was awesome. Morrissey gave it his all--no, we were not pushing and shoving up in the front, but managed to enjoy it nonetheless. MOST of the fans continued to be very enthusiastic for most of the show. Even the "Half a Person" incident added to the show--sure they stopped halfway through the song...but how could you complain? We got to hear it from the very beginning all over again? I'm very sorry to hear about your multiple misfortunes at the show, but don't blame it on Moz or on the show itself. We got to hear Moz joke for god's sake! At the previous two concerts he barely spoke a word... Ventura was my friend's fifth time seeing Moz; and he too admitted it was the best by far.
Henry <[email protected]>
- Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 17:28:30 (PST) | #61
Thursday, 12/16, was my first Morrissey concert and I was SOOOOO looking forward to it. I guess you'd call me a *new* fan, but I do *NOT* qualify as one of the punks who was moshing/fighting at the show. My boyfriend has been a long time Moz fan and he introduced me to Morrissey's music as well as the concert "etiquette" at Morrissey shows. I have been to many concerts of all types, and I was expecting a different vibe at this show than at other types of shows I've been to. Just before Moz came on, the pushing started. I can understand people getting restless as we had to wait a LONG time to get in the door, then the time between Sack and Morrissey was nearly an hour and the ventilation in there was horrible, I could hardly breathe. I was in the middle, maybe 10 rows back, and I couldn't see a DAMN thing. Okay, so I'm only 5'2", but it seemed like every time I got a good line of sight to the stage, some mammoth guy would step right in front of me or push me out of his way. That was really frustrating to me. When I've gone to other shows, where pushing/moshing were appropriate, I'd just shove the guy right back. But then you end up spending more time worrying about staying up and not getting kicked in the head than you do enjoying the music and watching the show.Anyway, enough babbling. Just before Morrissey came on, my boyfriend and I moved towards the back where the vibe was much more friendly and I could see better. Back there, there were *TONS* of people singing along and dancing ('cuz back there you had room to dance!). I had a great first Morrissey concert! He played a great mix of songs and I loved his witty comments throughout the show. I guess after seeing the man live I can call myself a fan forever. Now I can put those memories to the music and he seems so much more real to me. Maybe I'm just a little strange.... P.S. Being one of the "short ones" I have to give massive props to all the other short people there who, like me, had to fight for a tiny glimpse of the man between worrying about getting trampled/squished and people stepping in your way. Hope to see you all at the next Morrissey show in town...
Emily "Squirtle" <[email protected]>
Los Angeles - Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 19:12:49 (PST) | #62
I hear there is a wild rumor going around, born of the Hollywood show. Seems Morrissey has agreed in principle to renounce his solo career and join Johnny Marr's band, Electronic, as a back-up singer. They are going to pay him hourly, and he must make himself 'available' to the group. I am shocked. Anyone else?
Brent Springer <[email protected]>
- Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 21:10:13 (PST) | #63
i was at the palladium show on wednesday and was wondering if anyone could email or post the song list from that night...if you were there too of course. thanks a million.......
lee <[email protected]>
- Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 21:32:56 (PST) | #64
I also saw Morrissey on The 16th. It was My second time seeing him. He was great I loved everything about him, especially when he sang "Boy Racer" I loved his moves for that song. I'm only 15 but i have been a fan of his for over 6 years. I was singing and trying to dance but there was harldy any room to dance. I had to sit up on the balcony cause in '97 when I went to Vegas to see him I was in the middle of the crowd and it was the worst place to be at. I didn't want to go through that again. I don't understand why people just can't stand there and enjoy the show. They have to push and ruin the show for everyone else. I was standing near that guy that had that sign 'Can we have both' god when Morrissey looked at our direction, i almost died. I know he must have seen me. I was jumping up and down screaming my ass off trying to get him to look at me. It was the best show I have ever been too. Morrissey is just getting hotter and hotter everytime I see him. I will always remember what he said last. "I will always remember you, and I love you" something close to that. Is he the best or what?? I also remeber he said "IF A FRIEND EVER INVITES YOU TO BURGER KING, JUST SAY NO!!" Hopefully in a year he will tour again otherwise i don't know what i'll do.
LOVE TO ALL YOU MORRISSEY FANS!! F*ck off all you wannabe fans. It's all about going to see him perform not about trying to impress someone!!
that's what party's are for!!
VIVA MOZ!!!!!!!
p.s
if anyone took pictures will you please email them! Or if you were able to hear anything that moz said. Just e-mail it to me. thanks!!!
GIRL RACER! <[email protected]>
- Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 21:45:06 (PST) | #65
so i know this isnt love central, but i was at the dec.15 show. i was sitting at the merch table all night. tall, had a tie on, blonde patches in my hair. so this bleach blonde chick came up to talk to me. if you're her and you're reading this, email me because you were cool. that's all i have to say about that.as far as the concert goes, that was my first moz show. is it generally like that? as far as the crowd goes, it was "unexpected" to say the least....
lee <[email protected]>
nashville - Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 21:46:13 (PST) | #66
I got to see Morrissey in Hollywood both nights, and they were both nights that I'll never forget. The first night I was in the front row, and there were a bunch of punks trying to get me out of there by squeezing and hitting me. I did get to touch his hand, though. :) Yes, the crowd was rough, and a lot of the girls were hoochie-ish, I still had the time of my life. As long as Morrissey sings and I'm there, nothing can ruin my night. Thank you Morrissey for the lovely shows...
Maribel <[email protected]>
california - Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 22:06:36 (PST) | #67
In response to the reply I recieved,I agree it was a definite highlight of the so far seen shows of Moz that I have had the pleasure to be able to attend. Even though the situation between the interruption of , "Half a Person," and the shirt incident where atleast 60 people were on the ground, including me, it somewhat subtracted from the enthusiasm. For the first part of the show, morale was running high with every heartbeat. The show finally started with after a delay that must have seen like eternity bottled up, and I was enjoying every minute of it. Then chaos started breaking through the chains. After that, all I cared about was not getting hurt. Everytime people started to react to the mood of the song, hell was raised redundantly. I, along with many other fans, must have felt a sense of disgust whenever we were pushed or falling on the ground fo that matter. I agree that Moz joking was a definite highlight of the evening, it would have been more memorable and less of an ache on my back and shoulders, along with the bruises on my knees, that the people responsible for the unfortunate incidents, would have toned down their hostility...-kUrt
kUrt <[email protected]>
London's YWCA - Sun, Dec 19, 1999 at 22:58:15 (PST) | #68
I just want to add that the reference towards the racist issue has to do with people not speaking Spanish @ a Morrissey show, personally that's totally irelavent! Why can't people speak spanish @ a Moz concert? Hell the next time I see some crusty red necks at a salsa club or @ a Mexican restaurant Im going to tell them they can't speak English. I don't understand this thing with languages! What's the deal, hell in Europe people know how to speak 3 different languages! Only in America you will find close minded people who want to enforce "English only regulations"
cosmic dancer. <[email protected]>
The City of Angels. - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 00:34:08 (PST) | #69
About his selection of songs, I think it was pretty weak. IM sure some di hard Moz fans will dissagree, but I really wanted to her some of his great old stuff like: SING YOUR LIFE, SUCH A LITTLE THING ..., TONY THE PONEY, SUADEHEAD, THE MORE YOU IGNORE ME...EVERY DAY IS LIKE SUNDAY, BOXERS & THERE SPEAKS A TRUE FRIEND. Personaly the songs he played were cool, but I just wanted to hear the songs that made a true Moz fan.
Jack the Ripper
Moz Angeles, California - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 00:41:36 (PST) | #70
COSMIC DANCER The Last time I checked, we lived in America, we speak English here in America. No one was saying that people COULD NOT speak Spanish at a Morrissey concert, they were simply saying that there was a new group of Morrissey "fans" that happen to speak spanish and most of us find that a little strange. I am half Mexican and I am going to be honest, it bugs the crap out of me to hear people speaking spanish at a show...personally, I just think that they dont belong there. I am not in any way racist and I know that most of you will type away on your keyboards getting all mad at me, but I really dont care because I know that I am not racist. The fact of the matter is that most of us want things the way that they were: a small group of people who value Morrissey's music. Not a bunch of idiots who are just going to the shows because they think that they will look cool in their tight jeans and silk shirts with their trampy girlfriends on their arm. I hate those types of Mexicans...they bug the crap out of me and I dont feel bad saying it! They give all us respectable people bad raps and thats the bottom line.
Tired Of Being Nice
Los Angeles, California - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 10:24:30 (PST) | #71
damn straight I'm going to type something nasty to ya.The person who introduced me to Morrissey's music is hispanic AND a long time fan from the Smith's days. She has all his albums which she bought of her own free will because she liked the music and the words and did not do it as some communist plot to have every mexican buy "Your Aresenal" just to put a bug up your ass. How dare you say that anyone who is hispanic is nothing but a beligerant poseur or hoochie mama going the shows to look cool. She is @#!!!ing 10x more intelligent, creative, and well spoken than 3/4 of the people who come to this site combined AND she has a life unlike yourself. All you sit around and worry about is how you can shrink the number of Morrissey fans down to a tiny number where you can be guaranteed Morrissey can touch your hand at a concert. My friend was obviously not that greedy or she would never have shared any of her music with me. She knows that music belongs to everyone and it can only help and not hurt. I think that the music should be kept away from idiots such as yourself who will never get it despite the fact that you own a first edition "The Queen is Dead." You've had plenty of time to listen, and obviously, it's still not long enough. Morrissey is never going to pull you from the audience and boink you in the tour bus. Get over it. I would much rather have her at Morrissey's shows than you because I think you need an ass kicking.
suzanne
take me home country road - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 11:28:09 (PST) | #72
I knew it would take an idiot like yourself to take everything I said out of context. I think this is so incredibly funny that I am not even going to argue with you. You need to learn how to read and understand things my dear or can you not read english? People like you are what make me embarrassed to be part hispanic SUZANNE. Now why dont you go take care of your kids because we all know you probably have a few. (That was a good stereotype huh) I know that should piss you off. HaHa!
Tired Of Being Nice
Los Angeles, California - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 12:17:36 (PST) | #73
Can you people say anything bad about Morrissey?I have only recently got into Morrissey and I am staggered by the amount of people living in this giant 'Morrissey' bubble. I expect the average age of these writers is about 30. How long have you sat there listening to 'There Is A Light That Never Goes Out' over and over and over and over and over again? Morrissey wouldn't want that. I think he'd prefer you to love a variety of bands as well as himself. I know this hurts, and God knows it took me long enough, but there are other people in this world apart from Morrissey. There are bands out there which have all the charm of Morrissey, and more, and it's your job to find them or make your own. He is not perfect, he knows that, and deep down you know that, yet he seems find it amusing that you won't accept it. A couple of months ago I was like you, listening to nothing but The Smiths and Morrissey and not accepting a bad remark about him. Then I went to his concert. He was wonderful, but it made me realise that I don't want to live not experiencing anything but Morrissey, there were too many people not accepting his faults. In their eyes he was flawless, when he wasn't. I was in that bubble. But that bubble burst. Get out while you can, it's isn't fashionable just to like one person, you know. As Morrissey says; "Anything is hard to find, if you will not open your eyes.." For God's sake, take your blinkers off.
Kate <[email protected]>
Halifax, England - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 13:22:27 (PST) | #74
There are bands out there which have all thecharm of Morrissey, and more - yes, have you ever tried Gene? Brilliant band. Just...brilliant.
Adolf Simpson
- Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 15:10:35 (PST) | #75
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HaI meant other bands such as Joy Division, etc. Not all bands which are good have to be exactly the same as Morrissey, or try to be the same as Morrissey, you know.
Kate <[email protected]>
Halifax, England - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 15:33:35 (PST) | #76
TIRED i hope how silly and racist you look in these posts. You say one posts you hate people who are LIKE this "type" of people then the next post your just made yourself that person. I feel extremely sadden it has to come down to people like Tired (and please post your e-mail) if you want to get fed back on your views. Live and let live. And that part that "am part hispanic" doesn't impress anyone where. Don't get me wrong...your not the only one where with idiotic views, but your the only one to be not one or the other. IF the shoe fits, where it. So TIRED, you can't state comments like you did, and then in turn become exactly who you detest. You truly make me sadden of your actions...and thank god for computers to post, cause down deep inside you wouldn't have the balls to say it in anyones face. Cause i know your type...you would be the first one to run if a fight broke out tonight.
Moz cowboy <[email protected]>
Long Beach - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 15:47:58 (PST) | #77
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HaI meant other bands such as Joy Division, etc. Not all bands which are good have to be exactly the same as Morrissey, or try to be the same as Morrissey, you know. P.S There are a few mistakes regarding my #74 message. The VDU is affecting my brain. Of course Morrissey doesn't want you to like other bands. The self-centered arse (I doubt people in the US will find that offensive) wants you to love him, and him only. Don't let him....... Ah, but I still love him....
Kate <[email protected]>
Halifax, England - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 15:54:14 (PST) | #78
WEDNESDAY THE MOZ CONCERT WAS GREAT. MOZ LOOKED AS GOOD LOOKING AS EVER . I HAVE TO SAY MUCH RESPECT TO THE MEN OF THE BAND THE EVERSO FINE GARY DAY,ALAIN WHYTE,AND BOZ BOORER . THEY LOOKED SHARP AND VERY PUT TOGETHER. I LOVED THEIR ROCKABILLY COUNTRY STYLE SUITS. MORRISSEY LOOKED SO CUTE IN THE BEGINING WITH HIS ELVIS STYLE JUMPSUIT . THROUGHOUT THE CONCERT I MADE MY WAY TO THE FRONT . THE CONCERT WAS AWESOME LIKE ALL OF MORRISSY'S CONCERTS. AND I WILL NEVER FORGET WHEN I TOOK A PIECE OF MOZ HOME WITH ME, I GOT A GOOD CHUNK OF HIS RED SHIRT AND IT SMELLED REALLY GOOD. SO MORRISSEY WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME. NOW MY HEART IS TRULY FULL. VIVA MORRISSEY - MOZANGELES GOOD DAY AND THANK YOU . MOZZERS OF THE WORLD UNITE AND TAKE OVER. HELLO CHELA, ITS NATHANS SISTER!
JESSICA -17702 GAL
CARSON CA. - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 16:53:19 (PST) | #79
Does anyone from this site actually talk about Morrissey?
I was at the Pallidium show on Thurs. and I am not at all surprised by the new(Mexican) Morrissey fans. This show was probably my 20th show and I have slowly seen the crowd go from "mods" to "mexicans." What I don't understand is why it is such a big deal. I want everyone to listen to Morrissey so that he will keep making music!
The only thing that bugged me about Thurs. show is Morrissey's inability to add somee variety to each show. Come on Morrissey, the same set list from Oct. with two songs added. You can do much better than that. Here is a idea Morrissey, how about you make your band learn all of your songs and most of the smiths songs so that you can play whatever the night calls for. You know what really makes me laugh is the fact that the band doesn,t even seem to know the songs that they helped write. how about everyone chant "NEW BAND,NEW BAND!" at the next show. If Morrissey doesn't add some new material to his live show, I think I will juststay home and put all my Morrissey cd's on random play!
Thank for listening!
Noboby's Nothing <jbmdog @aol.com>
- Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 17:09:49 (PST) | #80
This is all crazy....CRAZY I TELL YOU!!! Lets change the subject now...Ok? Every day it gets more and more harsh.
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 17:39:39 (PST) | #81
Times change, peolpe change, history repeats itself, these are fundamental concepts. Why is everybody so quick to complain? True, back in the days people knew how to go out & have a good time. But I dont like how every body has been talking about historic venues, that was then, this is now. Know what I mean? Lets keep it simple, just say the crowed sucked. Everybody will understand.Hollywood is crazy place to be in. People from all walks of life end up in Hollywood. So, why is everbody acting so amazed at the crowed? All the hoochies show up to meet guys, no surprise about that. All the rebels show up because they like morrissey's music (especially the rock-a-billy ones such as "the loop", "Pregnant for the last time") & they admire the bands reble attire (I was glad to see Gary Day back again). I do agree that the atmosphere sucked. Personally I think the problem is simple. It has to do with fads. Morrissey has just become more popular amognst the present day youngsters (ie.hootchies & rebles). I'd like to give a little pointer to all the young rebles who dont know whats up. Keep the look but change the attitude. It's not about being hard core, its a little more something like bieng a cool cat. Cool, as in being able to look a certain way yet still being able to articulate to whatever environment you might be in. To the hoochies, I'd like to say: you girls look hot. Much to fine to be putting yourselves up cheap grabs. Your setting your selves up for trouble (problems, lots of them). Have some respect for yourselves cause no body else will. Dont let sex be the topic of your life. There is time and a place for everything.
Margaro
949 - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 18:07:23 (PST) | #82
In addition to the previous comments towards Hispanics at the Morrissey concerts,It shocks me in a weird way to see so many hispanics liking Morrissey. What I notice about these new born fans of el moz, is that many of them have never heard of the Smiths, and only venture to many of the concerts because they like his 50's greaser's style haircut. I know that isn't true for all, but the majority of whom I was around while being thrown around on the floor. Not only that, but the setlist was very weak. It's nice to hear, "November Spawned a Monster, "Boyracer, "Speedway," etc.. but none of his truly great songs like "Last of the famous international playboys," Suedehead,Everyday is Like Sunday etc.."-kUrt
kUrt <[email protected]>
London's YWCA - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 18:08:20 (PST) | #83
It doesnt shock me one bit to see latinos @ Morrissey concerts. I'm latino. Me and all my old school friends grow up during the 80's. "How soon is now" is the first song I ever herd. If people think that latinos dont know about the smiths, you are so confused. Back in the days we used to throw house parties & play songs like "this charming man", "London", & "Sweet & Tender Hooligan". Its just that if your not from a barrio, than you wouldnt know!!! would you?Besides, whats up with all racial stuff. If somebody is racist and has some racial shi& to say, spit it out. Dont beat around the bush. Latinos have embarced morrissey ever since the smiths. We have been attending concerts since the smiths. We are the reason why his concerts sell out. We are not what society would like you to believe, irrational aliens from another planet.
So enough with the racial crap about latinos liking Morrissey!!!
Maladjusted
949 - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 22:38:31 (PST) | #84
OK, this "latino" issue is really old, and I'm Latina! Does it matter what race I am? I love Morrissey and the Smiths because of the way it makes me feel when I listen to the music. I love them because when I am completely and utterly alone I can at least turn to the music. I wish we could put this whole racial thing aside and just move on...
maribel <[email protected]>
- Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 23:17:33 (PST) | #85
I'm a little confused....who's being racist? Why does it always have to turn into a race issue?
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 23:37:30 (PST) | #86
i have been a smiths/moz fan for a long time now...and my first live show was thursday at the palladium...wow was it rough i wasnt expecting to get kicked in the head if it wasnt for some guy named mike i would have got crushed!! but that didnt matter bcuz morrissey is beautiful and his music is the best..yeah i wasnt familiar with every song he played but that doesnt mean i dont loove him...i also drove to vegas to see him at the house of blues sunday night and that show was great!!! more relaxed crowd until someone rushed morrissey during the last song which resulted him to end the show!! i was upset bcuz i had just made it to the front and was one step away from touching him!! that is my goal!! i will go to every concert within distance just to touch him!!! yes u could call me a fan!! by the way mike if u read this thanks again for the protection!!!
mozlissa <[email protected]>
west covina ca - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 01:39:14 (PST) | #87
Margaro said it best!
Diana Doris
The City of Angels. - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 02:23:49 (PST) | #88
I can't help feeling jealous, empty and neglected. This American tour sounds so exciting, yet Australia is half a world apart from all the atmosphere.Australia craves Morrissey!!!
dasher <[email protected]>
- Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 03:14:27 (PST) | #89
GoodNight And Thank You.........
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 09:24:33 (PST) | #90
What a bickering bunch of losers some of you are. Morrissey is not a club . He is a singer. Just because he is so special to us it does not mean you need all of the rough trade 7"s to go to his show. as for people pushing, I have never been to a Morrissey show where people didn't act like they were giving away 100 dollar bills on stage. I f a girl wants to check her makeup or hers tits, whats it to you. Oh sorry thats right were all supposed to look like we came off the cover of Bona Drag and pretend were English and say things like,"wasn't Morrissey charming tonight!". the people who come to this site and quote Morrissey over and over give it a rest, we know the songs thats why we come here. Your just making yourselves look unimaginative. i'm not mexican, I'm not a greaser or a punk or a rebel or whatever, but i would probley prefer these people to souless Moz clones who pine for the good old days, whatever that means. i have been into this a pretty long time and don't remember any of those days. why don't you guys dress up like Moz and start a cover band. You can masterbate in the mirror and karryoke to "reel around the fountain". that way the people who just love his music, and lyrics, and who don't care about his hair, his tshirt, his tours name, or his belt buckle, can enjoy him and await NEW material.
Niko
Buffalo, New York - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 11:29:51 (PST) | #91
oh yea, I don't want to hear that I from the east and don't understand. I flew west two weeks ago for that gondamn tour and saw two shows enough to know that they were great and the crowds were fine, the venues were the problem along with the security, and the inherent behavior of Morrissey fans, which is fine. I 've been known to push to get a little closer, who hasn't.
Niko <[email protected]>
Buffalo, New York - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 11:35:10 (PST) | #92
Now, now, Niko...the hair comment went a little too far.
Javier Obregon <[email protected]>
Montclair, CA - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 11:36:48 (PST) | #93
In response to all th posts made on the review in the L.a. times,In some form or another, I will always be faithful to Morrissey. Not Morrissey solo, but Morrissey of the Smiths. The smiths were a great collaboration and no band in the world even though some might sound similar and maybe appear similar, can ever regain an ounce of that magic that The Smiths haD. Without Marr , Joyce and Rourke, and even Cannon in some respects, Moz's music is no better than a 70's reunion band. There were moments where you could see the old Morrissey from the smiths through songs like ,"Everyday is Like Sunday, Suedehead, etc..." His backing band, no matter how talented they are, will never be able to compare to his legacy. He might as well fire his backing band and have cardboard cut outs of Johnny, Andy and Mike, surround him as he mimicks their instruments. His songwriting, has also lost that edge. The edge that you felt when you first heard a trivial track like "The Boy with the Thorn in his Side, Frankly Mr. Shankly, This Charming Man, Miserable Lie, Wonderful Woman, Sheila Take a Bow, William it was really nothing, Reel Around the Fountain, Back to the old house, there is a light and many more....... His writing now, doesn't scream emotion to me.... It screams money to me!!!!!-kUrt
kUrt <[email protected]>
the past - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 12:23:54 (PST) | #94
Does anyone have the MP3 of the intro the Smiths played at concerts. It was from Romeo and Juliet and Prokiev, was the composer. It was on the Frankly Vulgar but I no longer have it, does anyon have it?
If possible could someone email it to me
Im [email protected]
Thanks
Prokiev(sic)
- Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 12:25:13 (PST) | #95
WHAT DO YOU SEE IN HIM ?Oh, the nights are too long
When the questions are long
I tried, but I will never understand
What Do You See In Him ?
What Do You See In Him ?
Oh ... She's the lifeblood of me
As you walk hand in hand
And I try, and I try, and I try
But I will never understand
Oh, What Do You See In Him ?
I ask myself :-
What Do You See In Him ?
Oh ... But she will plague you and I will be glad
Yes, she will plague you and I will be glad
Oh ...
Oh ... These were the original lyrics to the tune of Wonderful Woman. The song was sung in this form during The Smiths' 3rd show at the Hacienda in Manchester on February 4th 1983, and is available on the bootleg "The Butterfly Collector". JSUT TRYING TO BE SMART, i KNOW WHAT I SEE IN HIM AND ITS AVERY BEAUTIFUL THING. I LOVE MOZ FOREVER...
MOZ HEAD 2000 <[email protected]>
MOZ ANGELES, MOZYFORNIA - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 12:28:43 (PST) | #96
"why don't you guys dress up like Moz and start a cover band. You can masterbate in the mirror and karryoke to "reel around the fountain". Thats a GREAT idea NIKO I think we should do that. So now that I am taking your advice, why dont you go back to that little town in the middle of nowhere and practice spelling KARAOKE not "karryoke"....I know that if I was going to post something being an arsehole I would at least make sure I could spell it. Now run along little boy.
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 12:37:16 (PST) | #97
this message goes out to Niko-you rock-i have no idea why people are talking so much @#!!!-who cares what kind of people go to his shows-or what they wear or what language they speak-or if they know every word to every song-the only thing that matters is that your'e there and he's there-people are talking things way too far-
seven
la la land - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 15:12:38 (PST) | #98
I just wanted to respond to something written earlier. Somebody refered to the despised people at the Thursday show as those which will probably be attending the Rage Against The Machine show this weekend. I thought this was funny because I actually went to that show as well. Maybe it's because I worked at a college radio station, but I like a diverse range of music and I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm a huge Morrissey fan but that doesn't mean I'm going to curse all other forms of music. I've liked Rage for a long time. I'm inspired by their politically charged music. I even like some hiphop. Morrissey would say, "Ahh, there's no melody, *sigh*" I'll listen to these bands, goth bands like Switchblade Symphony and Mephisto Walz, punk, 80's pop, and even some folk. My point is, just because I enjoy these different genre's of music, doesn't mean I don't belong at a Morrissey Concert.
Shea <[email protected]>
LA - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 17:21:55 (PST) | #99
Oh, but I think it does....Death to all hip hoppers!
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 17:32:55 (PST) | #100
I don't wear baggy pants. Do I still deserve to die?
Shea <[email protected]>
Los Angeles - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 19:12:40 (PST) | #101
you so crazy.sorry to be dense (again) but what stereotype are you talking about where I have kids? Is it because I happen to be one of the 6 billion people on this planet who has the anatomy to help create a child? I'm very shocked and appalled that a person would think such a horrid thing about me.
suzanne
take me home country road - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 21:02:06 (PST) | #102
Kill Uncle, sadly avoided.
Give the stand up bass back to Gary Day.
The Loop, Sing Your Life, King Leer, Preagnant...
Get rid of all the fans who would rather hear
Boy Racer, and Now Heart Is Full.
This will improve the average intelligence of the
crowd. Of course Morrissey himself deserves to be
thrown into the pit after dedicating the song
"Half A Person" to the people who stand in the
back. I guess I should have been in the pit.
After all someone did get stabbed at the wednesday
night show. And in Vegas, people saw a gun in
some guys pants who was crowd surfing. Well Morrissey, I guess I must be half a person for
not wanting to stand in the pit knowing that you
draw such a wonderful crowd these days. Since
you must think differently, why don't you dive
in and find out what you are missing. MORRISSEY,
YOU DESERVE EVERYTHING LIFE HAS TO OFFER YOU.
Kill Uncle fan
- Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 21:57:22 (PST) | #103
i went to the dec 15 show and loved it. any time morrissey plays live is a treat. what i want to say is that i agree with kate. there are other bands besides the smiths and morrissey. god knows i love him to death, but i could never listen to just his music. variety is the spice of life. and to those people to shave their hairline back and force their chins to stick out: wake up and be yourself. oh and whoever that girl was who i let sit on my shoulders i hope you got a terrific veiw and got some good pictures of moz. i felt so bad for all the short people. if you can, i would love to see the pics. and another thing. i'm not mexican, i'm a typical white boy, and i have no problem with the hugh latino population who like moz. if it wasn't for a sweet mexican girl in my ninth grade history class i would have never heard "kill uncle" and fallen in love. god bless everyone. brian
brian <[email protected]>
santa monica - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 22:24:13 (PST) | #104
I went to the S.D. concert, the Thursday Palladium concert and Ventura. would have gone to wednesday's showing but it was my son's birthday. anyway, the S.D. show was great. Not too much pushing or shoving. i had a great view of him. Of course i needed my space as i am claustrophobic or however you spell it and it bugged me that people got in my space! All in all a good show.
The Palladium on Thursday was great except for this couple who kept fighting the WHOLE night and they would not let me enjoy the show. She got upset because he dropped her beer while she left whoknows where. Anyway, she wasn't enjoying herself and she wanted no one else to do so i guess because everytime I sang she would turn around and look at me. By her way of dress I honestly believe she wasn't a MOZ fan(she looked like a hootchie). Aside from that a good performance. I did get into it and danced all night! Just thought i'd let you know...The Ventura concert could have been better but some guys approximately 7 were complete jerks, pushing and shoving. I was afraid to let my guard down but I did enjoy the show when those guys were not all together. I love you Morrissey!!!!!
GirlAfraid
- Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 22:52:00 (PST) | #105
Yeah you probably do.........
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 23:59:37 (PST) | #106
I remember going to a Smiths concert just before the band broke up, where the mosh pit was so packed and rowdy that at one point I lifted my feet up into the air and was carried about 10 yards to my left and then back again in the surging crowd. The place wasn't full of "greasers" or people speaking spanish, or whatever bizarre explanation people might have for the dynamics of the mosh pit. That's just the way it is.Granted, the nature of the mosh pit is sometimes determined by people slam dancing or trying to buldoze their way to the front. But you get the same effect, without any intentional rowdiness, organically in any case. Somebody steps on somebody's feet. They move back and bump into somebody else. That person puts their arms forward and pushes another person. Somebody gets separated from their girlfriend and so pushes through. The band comes on and everybody takes half a step forward and suddenly the crowd is swaying from left to right. Its like chaos theory in action: little movements get amplified. But the alternative is that we all have to sit in our seats and get chucked out if anybody stands up. I saw three of the london concerts: one at the front, one at the front side and one with friends from the back: its a different experience. Which ever one you choose, try not to get riled by those who make a different choice from you.
David T (a different one)
- Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 02:55:19 (PST) | #107
Well i guess i would be a Morrissey "poser", yes break out that cross and nail me to it. Well my chick is a Moz fan so for her bday i took her. I had a kickbutt time, except for the fat bastard in suspenders who kept pushing us. Anyway, being the musical genious i am, i could appreciate what Moz was doing onstage, even though i didnt know any of the words to his tunes (refer to my opening comment as a poser) i thought the vibe was totally cool. However, the Palladium can suck a big fart, they should close that place down and open it up only when they have special midgett tossing events, i thought the President friggan Clinton was the opening act that night the way i was searched. But all is well that ends with a Tommy Burger. Peace love and Goonie Goo Goo to yall
Bob Bitchen <[email protected]>
Calipornia - Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 03:24:51 (PST) | #108
I just wanted to comment on some of the messages you people were leaving and I totally agree with all of you. I went to the concert at the Hollywood Palladium on Thurs and I thought it was great with the exception of all the pushing and shoving and attempted fights. In case you are wondering yes i am from Houston and I had to go to L.A. to see the concert (which my adorable boyfriend, Bob Bitchen,) got me tickets for. Moz refuses to go back to Texas for a concert but hey I will travel anywhere to see him.
You guys stay cool and next time you see a poser at a Moz concert give them a taste of their own medicine and kick their ass.
Lisa
LISA N. <[email protected]>
Houston, TX - Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 08:09:20 (PST) | #109
Alas, "I Am Hated For Loving" some hiphop music. But seriously, I don't listen to any of that crap that's on the radio. My tastes in this genre fall strictly in the underground. My favorite bands are all still of the rock variety, however. Moz/Smiths, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Depeche Mode, Concrete Blonde, Bow Wow Wow, Switchblade Symphony. I just try to keep an open mind; it makes things more bearable.
Shea <[email protected]>
LA - Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 09:18:04 (PST) | #110
I hope you dont think I was being truely hateful...dont get me wrong, I think that music should be banned but I dont think you should die for it. And DAVID T(a different one) Thanks for clarifying what a "mosh pit" is....I was so unclear of why people were pushing so hard....duh! Now that you have fully explained it to me/us I think I can actually go on living. You are the best!!!! LOL
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 10:10:53 (PST) | #111
. . .the point being that mosh pits are not (necessarily) populated by thugs who take advantage of the anonymity of numbers to kick you in the bum. If you were to stick any number of people in a confined area, the crowd would quite possibly have the same dynamics. There have been some bands in the UK which have a 'girls only' rule for the mosh pit and guess what - its still a scrum. By and large, its not because the fans are yobbos.So don't go down there if you dont like it: and more to the point, just because your personal space gets invaded, don't go on tediously about how it all used to be wonderful in the good old days when Mozza wore beads and a blouse, or whatever . . .
David T (a different one)
- Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 10:18:37 (PST) | #112
Does anyone else cringe when you see someone spell ass as arse? Can't we use the word ass on this website, or does it have to be arse because Morrissey is British and it's trendy to use that spelling of the word? Just an observation.Selena: Is your favorite song "I Won't Share You?" Did you have difficulty playing with others as a child? Just kidding.
Buck toothed girl from Luxembourg
- Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 10:43:49 (PST) | #113
Bucked Toothed Girl....When I have tried to spell out the word @#!!! before this is what happens....I dont know why but it does. As a matter of fact "I Won't Share You" is ONE of my favorite songs funny you would know that. And I had no problem playing with others as a child, I get along very well with others and always have....I guess it just hit me as an adult that alot of you....I mean alot of people are just arseholes and not worth getting along with. I had to respond to you...not to be a Bitch or anything but just because you have a bad habit of sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong. just kidding
Selena <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 12:04:29 (PST) | #114
Shea, I like your philosophy toward music. Right on!! I dont listen to hip hop anymore, but I did growing up. The hip hop from back in the days was something new, unique, & lots of fun. The hip hop of today all sounds the same (non-sense).I attended the Morrissey show at SD. I wanted to go back to SD on Sat for the "Rage" show. I think "Rage" is one talanted Kick Ass Band!!!! Zack communicates alot of politcal food for thought, & Tom M is a guitar master. I think the problem is that people confuse "Rage" (Original Style, Meaningful) with other crapy bands like "limp B', & "Korn" (Imitators, Point-less, nookie cookie crap) who receive way to much air play. Sorry limp b & Korn fans, if any (personal opinion). I'm Latino, So there is alot of alternative Kick Ass Spanish bands that I listen to as well. If the music is meaningful (lyricaly) & I can some how relate, I will listen.
I have been a Smiths/Morrissey fan since back in the days. The sounds of Smiths are awesome. But I must say that Morrissey has an excellent band in the present. The band cant get much better. I would like to see Gary, Boz, & Al with Morrissey forever.
Bottom line, Morrissey rules. His music is meaningful & it gives to us. But, there are other musicians. There music can be just as meaningful & giving (perhaps in a different context). "You'll never believe me, so why don't you find out for yourself."
Margaro
949 - Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 12:56:50 (PST) | #115
Amen, Rage is heads over heals above Limp Korn Kid. If you lump them all together then you really don't get it.
Shea <[email protected]>
LA - Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 13:33:42 (PST) | #116
Hmmmmm I see that there is a lot of tension on this topic..But well all I need to say is that I enjoyed Santa Barbara more than I enjoyed the 15th...I guess because u saw who the real fans were when u were in SB due to the fact that all these so called fans that saw MORRISSEY on the 15th or 16th u did not see in SB because it was tooo far for there Chevrolegs...But my top fav. was Ventura..because there was not so many posers around..& I shook his hand & got half his shirt...& because I finally saw Dario =)~
BrendA <[email protected]>
Cali... - Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 13:38:41 (PST) | #117
the show at the ventura theater turned out to be the best of all.if you can imagine a morrissey show with only about 800 people it was great. the three hour drive was well worth it. i was one of the lucky people who got to shake morrissey's hand while he was singing. the best part of the concert was the selection of songs. speedway is a very good song i loved it. the crowd at the concerts have change alot sicne the last show i attended which was the maladjusted tour at the greek. boz and alain are awsome i took some awsome pictures. if anyone has some good pictures and youre interested in trading email me and we'll trade.
ozz <[email protected]>
inland empire - Mon, Dec 27, 1999 at 00:04:46 (PST) | #118
my name is Albert and i have been into morrissey and the smiths for about 9 years. ever since i was a little kid the 50's have facinated me. i loved the style of dress as well as the music and lingo. when i discovered morrissey back then he instantly touched my heart. it was as though he was singining songs about my life. i have cried on numerous occasions and i would sit in disbelief at how those beautiful songs were so close to me. back in the day there was a small and loyal group of morrissey fans that loved his music and not because theres a moz bandwagen going on. yes i am mexican american but i have to say many of my compadres are very trendy and it kills me that people are seeing morrissey as trendy now. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont play out morrissey like you have played out rave and other things people. back in the days it wasnt about what nationality you were, morrissey fans ARE morrissey fans. if the music doensnt touch you and you dont know the first thing about the artist you are supposedly so into, then go love ricky martin or the backstreet boys because moz is a real artist. the ventura show was great i went with my love 'trish' i love you baby,
thanks
albert G. <[email protected]>
- Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 22:23:22 (PST) | #119
oh gosh albert g (#119)you sure you don't mean ricki ricardo? ciao julie
julie <[email protected]>
oz - Sat, Jan 01, 2000 at 07:53:03 (PST) | #120
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