Abortion as art? So Wrong...

  • Thread starter Deleted member 4260
  • Start date
Yeah, I understand... It's just that I have some romanticized idea about the USA, probably because of the films from the Cold war era. You know, 'everything's free in America', things like that :)

I do however choose to believe that there is no ground for prosecuting this lady. Her relatives probably know she's sane, and artists are usually broke, so they wouldn't make any money from locking her up anyway.
 
its just the fact that we have to argue whether or not a fetus is a human or not. it's ridiculous. Hahah No way around it.

You're doing it AGAIN! Assuming this article about this young woman, batshit as she may be, is TRUE, she never had a fetus, she had a ZYGOTE, you're deliberately confusing the issue. My question is do you actually believe a fertilized egg cell, a CELL... is, or is equivalent to a human being? To believe that is most certainly ridiculous. As for a fetus, yes it may be "human" it contains human DNA, tissues, etc., but is it A human, THAT is the issue. Even if you take that position, and that is a tenuous position to take, does the value of said "life" have greater value than the life of the mother? And is a life of misery/impoverishment/neglect BETTER than never having existed in the first place? You're position is highly suspect, although I credit you with no longer using Morrissey's image to promote radical right wing agendas.

And don't talk to me about 'reason' please.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.. YOU'RE the jesus freak. Don't dare question my capacity to reason when you believe in a talking snake, people living inside of whales, virgin birth, etc. As Martin Luther said "Reason is the greatest enemy faith has." Truer words have never been spoken.
 
You're doing it AGAIN! Assuming this article about this young woman, batshit as she may be, is TRUE, she never had a fetus, she had a ZYGOTE, you're deliberately confusing the issue. My question is do you actually believe a fertilized egg cell, a CELL... is, or is equivalent to a human being? To believe that is most certainly ridiculous. As for a fetus, yes it may be "human" it contains human DNA, tissues, etc., but is it A human, THAT is the issue. Even if you take that position, and that is a tenuous position to take, does the value of said "life" have greater value than the life of the mother? And is a life of misery/impoverishment/neglect BETTER than never having existed in the first place? You're position is highly suspect, although I credit you with no longer using Morrissey's image to promote radical right wing agendas.



Oh, no, no, no, no, no.. YOU'RE the jesus freak. Don't dare question my capacity to reason when you believe in a talking snake, people living inside of whales, virgin birth, etc. As Martin Luther said "Reason is the greatest enemy faith has." Truer words have never been spoken.

I walked a pace behind you at the sound check you're just the same as I am what makes most people feel happy leads us headlong into harm . :D
 
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.. YOU'RE the jesus freak. Don't dare question my capacity to reason when you believe in a talking snake, people living inside of whales, virgin birth, etc. As Martin Luther said "Reason is the greatest enemy faith has." Truer words have never been spoken.

Actually, my good man, there was a man who lived inside of a whale, and I'm not talking about Jonah. I read about it in a book by Charles Berlitz. Some people killed a whale and when they cut it open they found a man inside. He lived to tell the tale, but his skin and hair was permanently bleached and he didn't live for very long afterwards. If you like I can reread the passage and tell you more about it.
 
Artwork by Aliza Shvarts

u-pop-unseen-14.jpg


http://www.museumofbadart.org/collection/unseen-13.html
 
Last edited:
I am PRO CHOICE, but HOLY f***ING SHIT....I don't know about this...

This is disturbing, but also somehow highly intriguing..READ..

_____________________________________________
*For senior, abortion a medium for art, political discourse*
Martine Powers
Staff Reporter
Published Thursday, April 17, 2008
*Art major Aliza Shvarts '08 wants to make a statement.*



Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.



The goal in creating the art exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body. But her project has already provoked more than just debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts' project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have expressed shock . saying the project does everything from violate moral code to trivialize abortion.



But Shvarts insists her concept was not designed for "shock value.

"

"I hope it inspires some sort of discourse," Shvarts said. "Sure, some people will be upset with the message and will not agree with it, but it's not the intention of the piece to scandalize anyone.

"

The "fabricators," or donors, of the sperm were not paid for their services, but Shvarts required them to periodically take tests for sexually transmitted diseases. She said she was not concerned about any medical effects the forced miscarriages may have had on her body. The abortifacient drugs she took were legal and herbal, she said, and she did not feel the need to consult a doctor about her repeated miscarriages.



Shvarts declined to specify the number of sperm donors she used, as well as the number of times she inseminated herself.



Art major Juan Castillo '08 said that although he was intrigued by the creativity and beauty of her senior project, not everyone was as thrilled as he was by the concept and the means by which she attained the result.



"I really loved the idea of this project, but a lot other people didn't," Castillo said. "I think that most people were very resistant to thinking about what the project was really about. [The senior-art-project forum] stopped being a conversation on the work itself.

"

Although Shvarts said she does not remember the class being quite as hostile as Castillo described, she said she believes it is the nature of her piece to "provoke inquiry.

"

"I believe strongly that art should be a medium for politics and ideologies, not just a commodity," Shvarts said. "I think that I'm creating a project that lives up to the standard of what art is supposed to be.

"

The display of Schvarts' project will feature a large cube suspended from the ceiling of a room in the gallery of Green Hall. Schvarts will wrap hundreds of feet of plastic sheeting around this cube; lined between layers of the sheeting will be the blood from Schvarts' self-induced miscarriages mixed with Vaseline in order to prevent the blood from drying and to extend the blood throughout the plastic sheeting.



Schvarts will then project recorded videos onto the four sides of the cube. These videos, captured on a VHS camcorder, will show her experiencing miscarriages in her bathrooom tub, she said. Similar videos will be projected onto the walls of the room.



School of Art lecturer Pia Lindman, Schvarts' senior-project advisor, could not be reached for comment Wednesday night.



Few people outside of Yale's undergraduate art department have heard about Shvarts' exhibition. Members of two campus abortion-activist groups . Choose Life at Yale, a pro-life group, and the Reproductive Rights Action League of Yale, a pro-choice group . said they were not previously aware of Schvarts' project.



Alice Buttrick '10, an officer of RALY, said the group was in no way involved with the art exhibition and had no official opinion on the matter.



Sara Rahman '09 said, in her opinion, Shvarts is abusing her constitutional right to do what she chooses with her body.



"[Shvarts' exhibit] turns what is a serious decision for women into an absurdism," Rahman said. "It discounts the gravity of the situation that is abortion.

"

CLAY member Jonathan Serrato '09 said he does not think CLAY has an official response to Schvarts' exhibition. But personally, Serrato said he found the concept of the senior art project "surprising" and unethical.



"I feel that she's manipulating life for the benefit of her art, and I definitely don't support it," Serrato said. "I think it's morally wrong.

"

Shvarts emphasized that she is not ashamed of her exhibition, and she has become increasingly comfortable discussing her miscarriage experiences with her peers.



"It was a private and personal endeavor, but also a transparent one for the most part," Shvarts said. "This isn't something I've been hiding."


The official reception for the Undergraduate Senior Art Show will be from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. on April 25. The exhibition will be on public display from April 22 to May 1. The art exhibition is set to premiere alongside the projects of other art seniors this Tuesday, April 22 at the gallery of Holcombe T. Green Jr. Hall on Chapel Street.

God, this is HORRIFIC. This reminds me of the book by Katherine Dunn, called, "Geek Love" - basically it was about a bunch of carnies and the wife would get pregnant and during the pregnancy injest things like pesticides (which would probably kill her in real life I would think) and isotopes and other poisons that would make their children, "unique" so they would make more money. One of the children, "Arty The Aquaboy" was born with no limbs. He started his own religion where people would VOLUNTARILY get their limbs hacked off to prove their belief in Arty. I know this is fictional, but what this woman is doing is just disgusting and it pisses me off because I underwent an ectopic pregnancy in 1997 and it was very emotional for me.
 
Back
Top Bottom