Was This Written About Morrissey?

C

Capers

Guest
The song below was written by Josh Caterer of The Smoking Popes on his new band's (Duvall) excellent debut release. Is it about Morrissey? Josh became a Christian during the time The Smoking Popes were touring with Morrissey. Here's an excert from an article written after that Morrissey tour:

Full article here: http://www.siboliban.org/smokingpopes/havejesus.html

**BEGIN EXCERT**
Things got worse when the band toured with Morrissey, the prince of romantic doom often compared to Caterer. Morrissey had a luxury tour bus, while the Popes tagged along behind in a van, with Caterer in a station wagon that he bought so he wouldn't have to ride with smokers. While driving with his brother Eli and road guitarist Tom Counihan, Caterer would draw them into heavy philosophical discussions.

"(Josh) just started getting really introverted and keeping away from everybody," said Counihan. "Ever since I've known him he's been searching for something beyond worldly happiness. We talked a lot about it on that particular tour."

Morrissey, who is about 20 years older than the Popes, wasn't the best role model. Over the six-week tour he only spoke to the band twice and was "very fidgety" and "very uncomfortable," according to Caterer. After every show, Morrissey would dart to his tour bus, making sure he bumped into no one.

"I was realizing that he had a bigger budget than we did, but he was basically on the same treadmill that we were on," Caterer said. "It became a reality to us that this was going to be us, this was going to be me. It didn't seem any more fulfilling for him than it was for me."
END EXCERT

So, I wonder...could this song be written about Morrissey?

Between The Lines
Volume and Density

(v1)
the goal you sold yourself out to
is wasting you for nothing in return
you speak as though you're rich
you look as though you're tired
what happens when your contract has expired
do you still cling to the hollow sound
of the empty songs you sing

(chorus)
when i read between the lines
it don't take long to find a heart that's breaking
and the joy you left behind
is greater than the one that you've been faking
i know that there's still time
to turn around the choices you've been making
you just can't close your eyes to what you find
when you read between the lines

(v2)
disgusted by some things you've seen
but does that mean it's fine to walk away
you speak as though you're free
you look as though you're scared
what happened to the faith i thought we shared
is it still there
was it ever really even there at all

chorus
 
I think it's possible and Josh is probably right.

> The song below was written by Josh Caterer of The Smoking Popes on his new
> band's (Duvall) excellent debut release. Is it about Morrissey? Josh
> became a Christian during the time The Smoking Popes were touring with
> Morrissey. Here's an excert from an article written after that Morrissey
> tour:

> Full article here: http://www.siboliban.org/smokingpopes/havejesus.html
> **BEGIN EXCERT**
> Things got worse when the band toured with Morrissey, the prince of
> romantic doom often compared to Caterer. Morrissey had a luxury tour bus,
> while the Popes tagged along behind in a van, with Caterer in a station
> wagon that he bought so he wouldn't have to ride with smokers. While
> driving with his brother Eli and road guitarist Tom Counihan, Caterer
> would draw them into heavy philosophical discussions.

> "(Josh) just started getting really introverted and keeping away from
> everybody," said Counihan. "Ever since I've known him he's been
> searching for something beyond worldly happiness. We talked a lot about it
> on that particular tour."

> Morrissey, who is about 20 years older than the Popes, wasn't the best
> role model. Over the six-week tour he only spoke to the band twice and was
> "very fidgety" and "very uncomfortable," according to
> Caterer. After every show, Morrissey would dart to his tour bus, making
> sure he bumped into no one.

> "I was realizing that he had a bigger budget than we did, but he was
> basically on the same treadmill that we were on," Caterer said.
> "It became a reality to us that this was going to be us, this was
> going to be me. It didn't seem any more fulfilling for him than it was for
> me."
> END EXCERT

> So, I wonder...could this song be written about Morrissey?

> Between The Lines
> Volume and Density

> (v1)
> the goal you sold yourself out to
> is wasting you for nothing in return
> you speak as though you're rich
> you look as though you're tired
> what happens when your contract has expired
> do you still cling to the hollow sound
> of the empty songs you sing

> (chorus)
> when i read between the lines
> it don't take long to find a heart that's breaking
> and the joy you left behind
> is greater than the one that you've been faking
> i know that there's still time
> to turn around the choices you've been making
> you just can't close your eyes to what you find
> when you read between the lines

> (v2)
> disgusted by some things you've seen
> but does that mean it's fine to walk away
> you speak as though you're free
> you look as though you're scared
> what happened to the faith i thought we shared
> is it still there
> was it ever really even there at all

> chorus
 
What if it is about Morrissey?

Thanks for posting this, as it's an interesting find.

However, there's an obvious question here.

What if this song is about Morrissey? Let's say those were good, insightful lyrics inspired by that tour-- what could Josh tell us about Morrissey?

Are we really going to pay attention to the observations of a songwriter who, besides two brief conversations, had little or no contact with him? From the sound of it, there are fans who visit this site who have had more face time with him than Josh did.

In any event the behavior described by this guy is nothing new to anyone who's followed Morrissey over the years. Minimal interaction with people and a generally depressing demeanor pretty much describes Morrissey even in the heyday of The Smiths, doesn't it?

It says more about Josh that he would write such a denunciation of one of his fallen idols based on the limited contact he had with him-- if indeed the song is about Morrissey. I'm guessing the bit about "when I read between the lines" pretty much says it all. Jayson Blair should have used that one.
 
Context, boys. Context.

1). Morrissey could've been the screen onto which Josh projected his existential crisis.

2). Fall of '97 wasn't exactly the best of times for Morrissey.
 
> Morrissey, who is about 20 years older than the Popes, wasn't the best
> role model. Over the six-week tour he only spoke to the band twice and was
> "very fidgety" and "very uncomfortable," according to
> Caterer. After every show, Morrissey would dart to his tour bus, making
> sure he bumped into no one.

> "I was realizing that he had a bigger budget than we did, but he was
> basically on the same treadmill that we were on," Caterer said.
> "It became a reality to us that this was going to be us, this was
> going to be me. It didn't seem any more fulfilling for him than it was for
> me."
> END EXCERT

Interesting article.. an insight into life on the road. Touring with other bands must be an interesting clash of personalities (friend firmly forged or enemies firmly entrenched). In this case, even if Morrissey only did speak twice, it's not his way to be one of the lads I'm sure. He may come across aloof, yet its a demonstration of his privacy. So, Two quality times would be better than a million alcoholic tour afternoons.. liked the quote 'Same treadmill, bigger budget' though. 'same sh1t, different day' type connotations, the glamour of rock stars ?

Except my days of course, which are always gay in a non George Michael kind of way!

Oh, The song lyrics.. not about morrissey.

Ruffian
 
Back
Top Bottom