New Morrissy Album

[eguess]

Boz, Wendy Wu, Tseng, Dallow, Spicer...

> i suppose Boz drops by on occasion as he is the only one with a
> website of his own, but other than that, hell if i know.

I didn't mean Boz actually. Never mind

> yes, but you also notice that in the beginning, when people
> would toss around those rumors, people would buzz with
> excitement. now, you get responses like "Zzzzzzzzz".

Beneath the ZZZ (and behind the hatred), people are more curious and excited than ever- that's how the human mind works! Being blase or depressed or whatever is only an attempt to suppress a seething, so-far frustrated desire. Give them something a little bit more solid and the comments will start all over again

> oh please. why bother dwelling on that? why even mention it as
> part of the equation when it has no chance in hell of happening?

Why not?

> not necessarily. the baby boomers who you refer to, show up in
> droves when Bob Dylan rolls into town. They may not have seen a
> concert in about 3 years, but they know where to stand in line
> once it happens.

Yes, but many more bboomers who don't even show up at the gigs nevertheless buy Dylan records to listen to at home (his latest sold 500,000 copies so far)

> so what? he's been spotted a little too much in Los Angeles! If
> you ended that sentence with "....in and out of
> studios" you might have something of worth.

He lives in LA. Ireland is the place his folks fled from-- I don't think it brings up lots of cheerful memories. Plus if he wanted to be left alone he should stick to LA or NY, where normal people are celebrity-insensitive. He'll have to deal with the hardcore, oh-Moz-I-love-you-kind of fan everywhere.

> enh. but Oscar never really parked himself in LA with a house of
> his own, did he?

No, though the USA tour I mentioned took months

> NOt that i've read any of this stuff, but i'm taking a guess as
> you seem to hear about him opening plays in London and hanging
> out with his boyfriend more.

It's not clear if you're talking about Morrissey or Wilde here, but what I mean is that Wilde, through a very deliberate strategy, kept people curious about his every move by alternately playing fag/tough scholarly/mundane lofty/approachable etc. It's a great story (imagine for instance Wilde lecturing about Renaissance artists to mine workers and so on) which you'll enjoy

> and also, why would David T answer truthfully to me about
> anything? wouldn't he be in on the big conspiracy as well?

Because his subconscious will plague him forever through sweat-drenched lonely nights until he shares with his friends in Moz-solo all the info he's getting from the Morrissey front!
Basically, the moz-solo scanning by Moz associates is just our age-old obssession with other people's opinions of ourselves at work. Moz has got that too, just like everybody else, and will try to use it in his favor just like everybody else

> oh, and i watched the Adam Ant video. true, i'm not skilled at
> reading English mannerisms, but I think he sounded serious. Put
> it in the context of the rest of it, and he says the "used
> to play with Morrissey" in a matter of fact tone.

Remember, British people are quite ironic and deadpan at times

 

[Anon]

Re: Ask Tseng and see if he denies it

> oh, and i watched the Adam Ant video. true, i'm not skilled at
> reading English mannerisms, but I think he sounded serious. Put
> it in the context of the rest of it, and he says the "used
> to play with Morrissey" in a matter of fact tone.

Suzanne, I'm glad someone finally agrees with me.

 

[Albert Tatlock]

Re: John Bull? Ask Tseng and see if he denies it

Of course Tseng is good friends with Morrissey and knows what's going on *cough* bull@#!!! *cough*, wtf are you on with??

If Morrissey has recorded a new album, then he'll get it released. Not inform a few Americans who run a website and know nothing about Morrissey's words or music. End of story.

"On a clear day you can see Edith Sitwell"

 

[anon]

Re: or as good as everyone's

 

[suzanne]

Re: Boz, Wendy Wu, Tseng, Dallow, Spicer...

> I didn't mean Boz actually. Never mind

well, jeez, how am i supposed to know? maybe read the liner notes in the "thank you" section and see if any names match?

> Beneath the ZZZ (and behind the hatred), people are more curious
> and excited than ever- that's how the human mind works! Being
> blase or depressed or whatever is only an attempt to suppress a
> seething, so-far frustrated desire. Give them something a little
> bit more solid and the comments will start all over again

i suppose, but everyone has a "solid comment" nowadays.

> Why not?

because it's imaginary and has no direct bearing on the future! Yeah, the legacy will always haunt and influence, but it's kinda like laying around and wishing you had a million dollars. You still can't run out and buy that porsche because you dreamed you had the money.

> Yes, but many more bboomers who don't even show up at the gigs
> nevertheless buy Dylan records to listen to at home (his latest
> sold 500,000 copies so far)

that's the way it is with all artists! not everyone who owns the record is going to show up at the concerts!

> He lives in LA. Ireland is the place his folks fled from-- I
> don't think it brings up lots of cheerful memories. Plus if he
> wanted to be left alone he should stick to LA or NY, where
> normal people are celebrity-insensitive. He'll have to deal with
> the hardcore, oh-Moz-I-love-you-kind of fan everywhere.

what do you mean? have you not been paying attention to all of the stories of people sitting on his front porch in LA?

Being in LA is being right in the middle of the fire for him. He doesn't get the same crowd response anywhere else.

And just because it's a town full of celebrities it doesn't mean that the other 98% of the people who live there are any less star struck.

And he did have a home in Ireland for a brief period of time a few years back. He's said in interviews he loves going there and the people are warm and friendly.

Besides, since he's Wilde obsessed as you point out, wouldn't he want to go?

> No, though the USA tour I mentioned took months

let's compare Oasis to Wilde because they've toured the US as well!

> It's not clear if you're talking about Morrissey or Wilde here,
> but what I mean is that Wilde, through a very deliberate
> strategy, kept people curious about his every move by
> alternately playing fag/tough scholarly/mundane
> lofty/approachable etc. It's a great story (imagine for instance
> Wilde lecturing about Renaissance artists to mine workers and so
> on) which you'll enjoy

i saw it in the movie!

> Because his subconscious will plague him forever through
> sweat-drenched lonely nights until he shares with his friends in
> Moz-solo all the info he's getting from the Morrissey front!
> Basically, the moz-solo scanning by Moz associates is just our
> age-old obssession with other people's opinions of ourselves at
> work. Moz has got that too, just like everybody else, and will
> try to use it in his favor just like everybody else

If David knew something, I don't think he would risk spilling it coz if he did, that would mean that Moz and the group may decide he is too untrustworthy to be told anything again.

let's face it, if you ran this website, wouldn't you be more interested in keeping the channels open for yourself? I would. That's like shooting yourself in the foot.

> Remember, British people are quite ironic and deadpan at times

did you watch the video?

"he played with morrissey. Used to play with morrissey"

That was past tense used in two consecutive sentences.

he was giving factual information about everyone he was working with in this project. it didn't come off like someone who was hopping up and down saying, "i have boz all for myself!" which i think people assume that around here because their opinion is so slanted in one direction that anyone associated with moz must necessarily be a much more highly regarded commodity than everyone else that people like Adam Ant would be secretly envying morrissey for his luck. Which, Adam referred to him as an old friend and i assume has known Boz longer than MOrrissey has. The novelty has long since worn off, and I doubt after about 15 or more years that Adam Ant is going to wake up one morning and say "I'll do whatever it takes because he's just too damn cool!"

 

[eguess]

Webmaster meet author

You know, tomorrow when my friends ask me what I did on the weekend, I guess I'll tell them I spent it with this 20something girl called suzanne. Let's go:

> i suppose, but everyone has a "solid comment"
> nowadays.

Think about it: Morrissey (see Q interview)is not "everyone". Neil Tennant is not "everyone". There are levels to these rumors. They're not inconsistent and haven't been officially disputed or corrected, even though the story has been circulating for several months now. Most of all, they were first made public by Moz himself on that interview to the Irish paper. I think you (like most of us) are just impatient, that's all.

> because it's imaginary and has no direct bearing on the future!
> Yeah, the legacy will always haunt and influence,

No no no I just flamed someone on the site because of this defeatist line of reasoning. Neither Moz or Marr ever said anything about a reunion being completely out of question.

> that's the way it is with all artists! not everyone who owns the
> record is going to show up at the concerts!

More so with older artists who give intense performances (Neil Young, Dylan and others). When you're over 30 and have a suit-wearing dayjob, you sometimes get embarassed on these "let's rock'n'roll" events, even though you still listen to the music at home.

> what do you mean? have you not been paying attention to all of
> the stories of people sitting on his front porch in LA?

Actually I didn't know about it, but I don't blame the kids who do that-- just as I wouldn't blame Moz if he called LAPD to chase them away. But you know, I thought Moz would be pretty safe in LA except maybe for the latino teens (which I adore BTW, since they're very loyal and emotional, not to mention that they were the ones responsible for the generational transition that kept Morrissey's music on the limelight)

> And he did have a home in Ireland for a brief period of time a
> few years back. He's said in interviews he loves going there and
> the people are warm and friendly.

He loves Spain too but still he won't go there as often

> Besides, since he's Wilde obsessed as you point out, wouldn't he
> want to go?

Why not go to Paris then? Wilde was mostly an european citizen who's buried at Pere Lachaise if I'm not mistaken

> let's compare Oasis to Wilde because they've toured the US as
> well!

Don't concentrate on the tour thing: concentrate on the strategies Wilde and Moz used to captivate their (somewhat coarse) audiences

> If David knew something, I don't think he would risk spilling it
> coz if he did, that would mean that Moz and the group may decide
> he is too untrustworthy to be told anything again.
> let's face it, if you ran this website, wouldn't you be more
> interested in keeping the channels open for yourself? I would.
> That's like shooting yourself in the foot.

I'm reluctant to complain about David Tseng's actions because he seems very polite, and the site as a whole is marvelous. I would not ever under any circumstances betray Morrissey's confidence, but if I were privileged enough to have some kind of direct access to the man, I'd ask more questions. I certainly wouldn't be satisfied with posting little messages telling the fans not to buy DVDs or books which lack Morrissey's approval.
Contrary to most fansites, moz-solo seems to have near zero help from the artist; when you check out the bigger REM sites or the official Bowie site there's tons of exclusive material, interviews, live chats and a pervading feeling of involvement and even acknowledgement from the artists, but here I sometimes feel like we're talking about some remote figure like Homer or Shakespeare (he'd probably approve the comparison).
David, ask! Moz, answer!

> did you watch the video?

Nope. Except for the song "Press Darlings", Adam Ant means little to me.

> he was giving factual information about everyone he was working
> with in this project. it didn't come off like someone who was
> hopping up and down saying, "i have boz all for
> myself!"

For me it's an established fact that 99.9 % of the eighties washouts fiercely envy Morrissey, so I don't know if Mr. ant really is that noble and fair-playing. Anyway, I don't think Morrissey should ever fight for group members at all; let them go and find others if that's the case. Vini Reilly was great but they stopped working together and both survived.
The only irreplaceable element in Morrissey's music was Johnn... well, never mind

 

[suzanne]

Re: Webmaster meet author

> You know, tomorrow when my friends ask me what I did on the
> weekend, I guess I'll tell them I spent it with this 20something
> girl called suzanne. Let's go:

maybe you should learn how to type faster!

> Think about it: Morrissey (see Q interview)is not
> "everyone". Neil Tennant is not "everyone".
> There are levels to these rumors. They're not inconsistent and
> haven't been officially disputed or corrected, even though the
> story has been circulating for several months now. Most of all,
> they were first made public by Moz himself on that interview to
> the Irish paper. I think you (like most of us) are just
> impatient, that's all.

> No no no I just flamed someone on the site because of this
> defeatist line of reasoning. Neither Moz or Marr ever said
> anything about a reunion being completely out of question.

actions speak louder than words. besides, marr makes fun of him every chance he gets. and after years of doing that, you would think that it would be a source of embarassment for both of them if they reunited.

> More so with older artists who give intense performances (Neil
> Young, Dylan and others). When you're over 30 and have a
> suit-wearing dayjob, you sometimes get embarassed on these
> "let's rock'n'roll" events, even though you still
> listen to the music at home.

not that i've seen. many 30 somethings and onward want to go out and see shows.

> Actually I didn't know about it, but I don't blame the kids who
> do that-- just as I wouldn't blame Moz if he called LAPD to
> chase them away. But you know, I thought Moz would be pretty
> safe in LA except maybe for the latino teens (which I adore BTW,
> since they're very loyal and emotional, not to mention that they
> were the ones responsible for the generational transition that
> kept Morrissey's music on the limelight)

i honestly have never kept a tally of who is what.

> He loves Spain too but still he won't go there as often

it's harder when you don't speak the language.

> Why not go to Paris then? Wilde was mostly an european citizen
> who's buried at Pere Lachaise if I'm not mistaken

I'm sure he's been there as well, but again, the language is a bit of a barrier and the people are not the same as the Irish. Although I have never been to Ireland to judge the differences.

> Don't concentrate on the tour thing: concentrate on the
> strategies Wilde and Moz used to captivate their (somewhat
> coarse) audiences

they told jokes?

> I'm reluctant to complain about David Tseng's actions because he
> seems very polite, and the site as a whole is marvelous. I would
> not ever under any circumstances betray Morrissey's confidence,
> but if I were privileged enough to have some kind of direct
> access to the man, I'd ask more questions. I certainly wouldn't
> be satisfied with posting little messages telling the fans not
> to buy DVDs or books which lack Morrissey's approval.
> Contrary to most fansites, moz-solo seems to have near zero help
> from the artist; when you check out the bigger REM sites or the
> official Bowie site there's tons of exclusive material,
> interviews, live chats and a pervading feeling of involvement
> and even acknowledgement from the artists, but here I sometimes
> feel like we're talking about some remote figure like Homer or
> Shakespeare (he'd probably approve the comparison).
> David, ask! Moz, answer!

well, it's ridiculous to tell people that you are a luddite when you have heavy involvement in a website!

hey! i'm a poet and didn't know it!

> Nope. Except for the song "Press Darlings", Adam Ant
> means little to me.

> For me it's an established fact that 99.9 % of the eighties
> washouts fiercely envy Morrissey, so I don't know if Mr. ant
> really is that noble and fair-playing.

What the heck? Would you PLEASE look at the video which is posted on the newspage? Don't just start at the time frame that they say the comments start. Start watching before so you can get a context of which it is said.

I think he would at least be bright enough to figure out where one of Boz's paychecks were coming from.

>Anyway, I don't think
> Morrissey should ever fight for group members at all; let them
> go and find others if that's the case. Vini Reilly was great but
> they stopped working together and both survived.

what do you mean "fight for them"? I never said he had to keep them if he didn't want. It's a normal thing to change the roster if you are a solo artist, and there are many bands that only one member of the original group was left. It happens because being in a band is not the easiest work in the world. You have to travel and face the press and go for months or years without a good source of income and you have to deal with internal conflicts in the group. It's not like normal 9-5 work like most of us have where you can do your job and leave it at the end of the day. It is survival of the fittest and sometimes the wrong people bog you down. They might be good musicians, but they could either be wrong for your sound or image or their personal problems get in the way.

> The only irreplaceable element in Morrissey's music was Johnn...
> well, never mind

Ugh.

You know something? I completely missed out on Smiths mania. I became a fan in '94, so i admit that I have no special memories of the band and maybe that affects how I feel, but I honestly don't care! It's like pining away over the guy that you had a crush on in highschool at the age of 30 even though you hadn't seen him in 12 years and he's married. It's just one of the most utterly pointless activities you can even begin to engage in. And if Marr decided tomorrow morning that there is some golden opportunity? Well, yay for someone, i suppose. I had heard some of Marr's latest music and I just don't find it that exciting. both the last electronic album and the single from the Healer's sound like a musical interpretation of someone with cinderblocks on their feet trying to walk through a half mile of mud. I honestly don't see how, at this moment in time, that Morrissey is actually trading up unless Marr decided to change how he writes songs these days.

 

[RML]

Half full, Half empty

 

[aly smith]

Radio 2 would play it!

> Stations won't play anything by Morrissey anymore because he
> won't appeal to the group that only listens to age specific pop
> or rap.
> That's where the money is now. We (the fans) will buy a
> Morrissey album and cherish it. You see where the sales have
> gone for the Best of .., and a new album will face the same end.
> Morrissey knows that.

BBC Radio 2 would play anything by Morrisey as long it was a good tune.
Radio 2's playlist must be the best one on any station. Maybe thats why it is the most listened to station in the U.K.
Just listen to Johnathon Ross on a Saturday Morning, he plays alsorts of classics and new stuff.
Steve Wright in the afternoon is crap.

When the More You Ignore Me was released it was played endlessly on radio and it was a hit but since then Moz's singles have been below par.

AS LONG AS HE BRINGS OUT A GOOD SINGLE IT WILL GET PLAYED