murder and desire
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am i?
You should know sweet, that is why I asked.
am i?
morrissey's only relevance in modern 'culture' is as just another signifier to young people who subscribe to a charity-shop lifestyle as perhaps the last icon of the now faded pop age...his life, image - and also, to a lesser degree, his music post 'everyday is like sunday' is of no interest to the 'layman' as you put it(even the layman with an appreciation of music and culture). certainly his name to most younger people that fall into the bracket of "what we hastily call the british working class" means very little, just a dimly lit name connoting depression and general gayness.
The line I get the most is: "He's so whiney!"
Exactly!Which, by no accident, leads us to... Why are you here?
You should know sweet, that is why I asked.
Which, by no accident, leads us to... Why are you here?
to save you
are they in their mid 20s though?
morrissey's only relevance in modern 'culture' is as just another signifier to young people who subscribe to a charity-shop lifestyle as perhaps the last icon of the now faded pop age...his life, image - and also, to a lesser degree, his music post 'everyday is like sunday' is of no interest to the 'layman' as you put it(even the layman with an appreciation of music and culture). certainly his name to most younger people that fall into the bracket of "what we hastily call the british working class" means very little, just a dimly lit name connoting depression and general gayness.
Are you Batman or Spiderman?
how would i know if nobody laughed?
One shouldn't need another's reaction or lack there of to tell them what they themselves mean
Considering Morrissey is in his 50's he is doing very well at being "relevant" among the young and with it- more so than most of his peers ,by a long walk.
Most indie bands in the UK and the States have been influenced by Morrissey and even though they can be cruel about him, a lot seem to still like him.
Don't forget it was only a few years ago The Guardian printed the lyrics to I have Forgiven Jesus on the front of the paper.
As for the Working class comment, it is now as was always thus, it depends what working class people you speak to.
I know of people in the 80s who didn't know who Morrissey was.
how would i know if nobody laughed?
One shouldn't need another's reaction or lack there of to tell them what they themselves mean
that's a good point but the indie bands seem to take after his smiths image rather than anything he has done since...if you asked them - or even people like russell brand and marcus brigstocke - about his writing outside of the realm of english miserablism covered best with the smiths, they would probably be very hard-pressed to give you an answer. i don't know this for sure but it seems pretty accurate given the way they talk about him. 2004 is an age away - it was only for that year that morrissey was deemed cool for the NME, guardian etc. zane lowe's interviews with him are embarassing, it's easy to see when people have a vague interest in morrissey because he was once cool
now he has more relevance to listeners of radio 4 and guardian readers than anywhere else, who seem to see him as a sort of expat national treasure that's also a bit of an idiot at times, but that's all part of teh fun
a third quote "he didnt look anything like i seen him on the adverts for his albums on the cover, them pictures must have been taken ages ago, he were right skinny in face w.i. a stuck up hairstyle" so for me even the layman picks up on the things we do and ask the question why?
Who would ask Brand anything about Morrissey? He is a fan but he has never really understood him, he is the type who fell for the media tales and the myth. I don't know who this Brig fellow is.
Not everyone got into Morrissey via The Smurfs, I know a number of people who got into his stuff via his solo career.
Then you have got the fact that outside England his fame grew post 1995.
Anyway, name one person who anyones cares about in music these days?
The XX and The Wild beasts are two good bands and The villagers are interesting but who cares what the singers of those bands have to say or Thom York for that that matter?
You are being rather harsh on Moz, yes he is older and yes the passing of time makes one less relevant but relevance is a passing fad anyway it's the songs that count and he still makes good songs.
everything you say is true and i agree he still makes good songs, for those who care to listen. but when the general perception of him is considered, he might as well have died in 1988 and the general view of him would be the same - well, apart from the fact that he would be even more famous than he is now.
sorry to sound rude but i think this thread may be more applicable to people from northern england (as morrissey is) and its attitudes and the social mouldings that made morrissey what he is rather than americans and what not who may not really know much about it, no offence meant sorry.
firstly the guy is a 25 yr old rugby league playing labourer from castleford who could be no more a typical stereotype of a modern 25 year old today in britain if you tried to create one,.
That ilk of person would say that about, Thom York, Nick Drake, L Cohen etc etc .
Basically anyones who isn't of the steps, take that or blur ilk.
Nowt to worry about.
morrissey's only relevance in modern 'culture' is as just another signifier to young people who subscribe to a charity-shop lifestyle as perhaps the last icon of the now faded pop age...his life, image - and also, to a lesser degree, his music post 'everyday is like sunday' is of no interest to the 'layman' as you put it(even the layman with an appreciation of music and culture). certainly his name to most younger people that fall into the bracket of "what we hastily call the british working class" means very little, just a dimly lit name connoting depression and general gayness.