Worm
Taste the diffidence
Re: Is Tim Jonze a liberal, as he claims? + shouldn't immigrants be expected 2 INTEGR
Yes, given his Catholic leanings, past and present, I would not be terribly surprised if he was against abortion, but when discussing the question of abortion most people are usually focused on the question of legislation rather than debating whether or not it's taking a life. It's possible to dislike abortion but oppose the idea of passing laws banning it. So you may be right that he is anti-abortion but wrong that he wants to pass laws.
That's a fair comment and I can't say for sure you're wrong. But we don't know what his views are on the question of laws. I don't recall him saying "Laws should be passed!" You have to look at all the secondary evidence. So far I haven't seen any signs that he would unilaterally impose his beliefs on a nation of people and on the other hand, despite his very clear views on fur and meat, don't you think he has shown a tendency to value freedom and independence? Don't you think, in general, that he is a champion of self-determination and personal liberty?
I think there's a difference in his broad declarations and his private opinion. We shouldn't confuse Morrissey's use of shock hyperbole with crudeness of opinion. He understands and uses political theater to good effect. For example, on the meat issue he can openly declare that "Meat Is Murder" but once, several years ago, when asked how he felt about Smiths fans eating meat, he said something like, "I've stated the truth. They're adults. They know what meat is. They can do what they want".
Don't you always get the sense, in reading interviews, that what he says in conversation is much more sophisticated, calm, and well-reasoned than what he megaphones in public? I do.
I think you can see this dynamic in the latest NME article, actually. He can't resist the easy quip ("No English accents in Knightsbridge!") but if you place it in context his views are more nuanced. Had Jonze kept the conversation going, not antagonistically but cordially, Morrissey would have defused every questionable comment he made.
Yes, given his Catholic leanings, past and present, I would not be terribly surprised if he was against abortion, but when discussing the question of abortion most people are usually focused on the question of legislation rather than debating whether or not it's taking a life. It's possible to dislike abortion but oppose the idea of passing laws banning it. So you may be right that he is anti-abortion but wrong that he wants to pass laws.
That's a fair comment and I can't say for sure you're wrong. But we don't know what his views are on the question of laws. I don't recall him saying "Laws should be passed!" You have to look at all the secondary evidence. So far I haven't seen any signs that he would unilaterally impose his beliefs on a nation of people and on the other hand, despite his very clear views on fur and meat, don't you think he has shown a tendency to value freedom and independence? Don't you think, in general, that he is a champion of self-determination and personal liberty?
I think there's a difference in his broad declarations and his private opinion. We shouldn't confuse Morrissey's use of shock hyperbole with crudeness of opinion. He understands and uses political theater to good effect. For example, on the meat issue he can openly declare that "Meat Is Murder" but once, several years ago, when asked how he felt about Smiths fans eating meat, he said something like, "I've stated the truth. They're adults. They know what meat is. They can do what they want".
Don't you always get the sense, in reading interviews, that what he says in conversation is much more sophisticated, calm, and well-reasoned than what he megaphones in public? I do.
I think you can see this dynamic in the latest NME article, actually. He can't resist the easy quip ("No English accents in Knightsbridge!") but if you place it in context his views are more nuanced. Had Jonze kept the conversation going, not antagonistically but cordially, Morrissey would have defused every questionable comment he made.
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sorry Worm... thank goodness I was not in some kind of off the hook fighting mood which is usually the result of too much isolation and thinking anyways... thanks for the correction.
