Someone's rant against Moz

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dazzak

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"Morrissey is a pompous arse whose best lyrics are stolen nearly word-for-word from legitimate poets. He's more over-rated than bottled water. If he ever meant a word he'd said he'd have killed himself long ago. Instead he's spent his life making a buck off of depressed people, usually making them more depressed in the process. I wasted a lot of years listening to Morrissey in my teens, and at 30, I really wish I could get them all back. I mean, it might have been nice to have had sex when I was younger or lived my life a little bit instead of moping around because some phony Britpop star made it seem like the intelligent thing to do. Meanwhile I was buying up repackaged Smiths album after repackaged Smiths album and every Morrissey and Smiths "new" Greatest Hits albums, one or two of which seemed to come out every single goddamned year, which only makes me wonder, How much money does a depressed moper really need? Oh, right, enough to live it up, L.A. style. Phony.

Joyce should get his backpay, as should all the other people Morrissey owes money to, including myself, who would like compensation for wasted time, energy and money spent on new collections of songs I'd already bought a dozen times.

As an interesting aside, two weeks ago some friends set me up on a blind date. I went out with this guy and from the second I saw him, I knew he was a Morrissey fan. He had Moz's hair, he dressed like Moz and he even sat like Moz. So I asked him, "You like the Smiths?" and he chatted my ear off about Morrissey. As if it wasn't enough that I was on a date with someone who looked and acted like someone else, which really isn't what I want as identity crises are a dime-a-dozen in the indie community, apparently, on top of it all, he tells me he's a Republican. And not just any Republican... a social conservative. A gay social conservative. Only a Morrissey fan, I tell you. He quoted Moz, too, to defend his position. I didn't have the heart to tell him that the original writer whom Morrissey stole the quoted line from was probably being more ironic than he or Morrissey realized.

A dreaded sunny day, whatever. Morrissey is the drama student's Kurt Cobain, and of the two, only one had the courage of his convictions. And all things being equal, I don't trust drama students; They're trained to lie professionally. They're the politicians it's still hip to like."
 
Why are you repeating such imbecilic nonsense. Do you think that's an intelligent contribution that we should spend time refuting?

That person sounds deranged and certainly doesn't have a clue about writers or literature if they believe everything Morrissey has created is taken from someone else just because he's nicked some quotes. That's what all good writers do. Maybe he'd say the same thing about Shakespeare.

Ho hum.
 
I truly find this one of the most poignant posts I've ever read.

I don't agree with the plaguerism quote as most artist do steal from others whether they know it or not. McCartney once said, I have never written a song I had not heard before.

The Joyce argument too, is somewhat stale.

Much of the rest rings true however, i.e, wasted time being more depressed than was good for you, wasted money, wasted life and ever so wasted people who pretend to be their idol, while he lives it up in L.A, that ever so depressive city (lol).

I would never want Morrissey to carry out the courage of his convictions as Cobain did, but can see where that point comes from too.

Whoever wrote this is a "thinking individual", if it was you dazzak and you are hiding behind the imposter, well, be happy to know yourself.

I do believe most of his followers should belong to a "cult".

> "Morrissey is a pompous arse whose best lyrics are stolen nearly
> word-for-word from legitimate poets. He's more over-rated than bottled
> water. If he ever meant a word he'd said he'd have killed himself long
> ago. Instead he's spent his life making a buck off of depressed people,
> usually making them more depressed in the process. I wasted a lot of years
> listening to Morrissey in my teens, and at 30, I really wish I could get
> them all back. I mean, it might have been nice to have had sex when I was
> younger or lived my life a little bit instead of moping around because
> some phony Britpop star made it seem like the intelligent thing to do.
> Meanwhile I was buying up repackaged Smiths album after repackaged Smiths
> album and every Morrissey and Smiths "new" Greatest Hits albums,
> one or two of which seemed to come out every single goddamned year, which
> only makes me wonder, How much money does a depressed moper really need?
> Oh, right, enough to live it up, L.A. style. Phony.

> Joyce should get his backpay, as should all the other people Morrissey
> owes money to, including myself, who would like compensation for wasted
> time, energy and money spent on new collections of songs I'd already
> bought a dozen times.

> As an interesting aside, two weeks ago some friends set me up on a blind
> date. I went out with this guy and from the second I saw him, I knew he
> was a Morrissey fan. He had Moz's hair, he dressed like Moz and he even
> sat like Moz. So I asked him, "You like the Smiths?" and he
> chatted my ear off about Morrissey. As if it wasn't enough that I was on a
> date with someone who looked and acted like someone else, which really
> isn't what I want as identity crises are a dime-a-dozen in the indie
> community, apparently, on top of it all, he tells me he's a Republican.
> And not just any Republican... a social conservative. A gay social
> conservative. Only a Morrissey fan, I tell you. He quoted Moz, too, to
> defend his position. I didn't have the heart to tell him that the original
> writer whom Morrissey stole the quoted line from was probably being more
> ironic than he or Morrissey realized.

> A dreaded sunny day, whatever. Morrissey is the drama student's Kurt
> Cobain, and of the two, only one had the courage of his convictions. And
> all things being equal, I don't trust drama students; They're trained to
> lie professionally. They're the politicians it's still hip to like."
 
Morrissey has only ever written one song about suicide. So where does this idea come from that he should kill himself to remain true to his convictions?

You can just as easily say he hasn't remained true to what he writes because he hasn't killed a policeman yet.

If someone writes about depression, the only way that can be resolved is by committing suicide? Completely simplistic nonsense. It ignores the fact that many people experience depression or sadness in their lives. Very few of them kill themselves.

There is nothing "thinking" about that post. Just a load of repeated cliches and bitterness.
 
I didn't realize Morrissey was going around pointing guns at people’s heads and forcing them to listen and buy his records.

It was your choice, deal with it...who ever you are.
 
>Maybe different things mean different things to different people.

If you listen to certain artists when "depressed" it really doesn't help the ailment.

Obviously this man/woman felt low so obviously latched on to music that fed the depression.

I have had cause to visit one or two psychiatrists in my time, no i am not a nut case, firstly for panic attacks in my youth, but anyway, when they delve into things and ask how you pass your time, believe me, if you mention the Smiths or Morrissey, they all come to the same conclusion.

I'm not saying he should kill himself, nor am I saying his music is depressive to me personally, I'm just saying the medical world seems aware of certain traits in certains personalities.

No harm meant, just a casual observation on much that has gone before.

Morrissey has only ever written one song about suicide. So where does this
> idea come from that he should kill himself to remain true to his
> convictions?

> You can just as easily say he hasn't remained true to what he writes
> because he hasn't killed a policeman yet.

> If someone writes about depression, the only way that can be resolved is
> by committing suicide? Completely simplistic nonsense. It ignores the fact
> that many people experience depression or sadness in their lives. Very few
> of them kill themselves.

> There is nothing "thinking" about that post. Just a load of
> repeated cliches and bitterness.
 
> I didn't realize Morrissey was going around pointing guns at people’s
> heads and forcing them to listen and buy his records.

> It was your choice, deal with it...who ever you are.

Oh dear, such a shallow statement.
How did you ever listen to anything other than the Bay City Rollers?
 
> If you listen to certain artists when "depressed" it really
> doesn't help the ailment.

> Obviously this man/woman felt low so obviously latched on to music that
> fed the depression.

> I have had cause to visit one or two psychiatrists in my time, no i am not
> a nut case, firstly for panic attacks in my youth, but anyway, when they
> delve into things and ask how you pass your time, believe me, if you
> mention the Smiths or Morrissey, they all come to the same conclusion.

> I'm not saying he should kill himself, nor am I saying his music is
> depressive to me personally, I'm just saying the medical world seems aware
> of certain traits in certains personalities.

> No harm meant, just a casual observation on much that has gone before.

> Morrissey has only ever written one song about suicide. So where does this

If only people could look a little deeper and see the comedy element to the lyrics, and the irony. Alot of it mocks depression
 
If you are getting depression out of a work of art which feeds your depression what you are really doing is finding what you want in that work of art.

People in a different state of mind will find something completely opposite to that.

For example, I find optimism, defiance and humour in Morrissey's words. Not depression. Not that I am particularly happy, that's just what I personally find.

So you can't blame the artist at all. If you are depressed you would probably find depression in Tommy Cooper or the Two Ronnies.

It's the same way people create their idea of what Morrissey is like in their own heads. For every fan it is probably someone completely different. They create the Morrissey that is useful to their own life and needs.
 
> If only people could look a little deeper and see the comedy element to
> the lyrics, and the irony. Alot of it mocks depression

Well we now know it "mocks" depression, songs written from a hilltop mansion in L.A are the most hilarious. Especially written about black clouds in Manchester.

Sadly "please", life isn't always "black and white" shall we say.

I didn't mean to cause ww3 here, I was just acknowleding the comments of someone, somewhere, who felt the need to think otherwise. Sad for them.
 
> Oh dear, such a shallow statement.
> How did you ever listen to anything other than the Bay City Rollers?

I'm sorry but it's a valid point. Morrissey's fans (or ex-fans) need to take responsibility for their own actions.

Morrissey didn't ruin or save anyone's live. He is not important enough for that.

People need to stop blaming him for years they think they lost, we all have time we regret or think we wasted, one of the signs of maturity is coming to terms with that and stop blaming others for it.

They also need to stop thanking him for saving them. He didn't, they did. They need to give themselves a bit more credit.
 
> Well we now know it "mocks" depression, songs written from a
> hilltop mansion in L.A are the most hilarious. Especially written about
> black clouds in Manchester.

> Sadly "please", life isn't always "black and white"
> shall we say.

> I didn't mean to cause ww3 here, I was just acknowleding the comments of
> someone, somewhere, who felt the need to think otherwise. Sad for them.

When has he written about black clouds in Manchester?

When has he written about Manchester at all since he's been living in LA?
 
> I'm sorry but it's a valid point. Morrissey's fans (or ex-fans) need to
> take responsibility for their own actions.

> Morrissey didn't ruin or save anyone's live. He is not important enough
> for that.

> People need to stop blaming him for years they think they lost, we all
> have time we regret or think we wasted, one of the signs of maturity is
> coming to terms with that and stop blaming others for it.

> They also need to stop thanking him for saving them. He didn't, they did.
> They need to give themselves a bit more credit.

I know "Oh Danny Boy", hold on I'll have to write that down, sure I've heard it somewhere before.

Yes I know you are right and I am wrong, I generally am.

Pay no heed.

Goodnight.
 
> Well we now know it "mocks" depression, songs written from a
> hilltop mansion in L.A are the most hilarious. Especially written about
> black clouds in Manchester.

> Sadly "please", life isn't always "black and white"
> shall we say.

> I didn't mean to cause ww3 here, I was just acknowleding the comments of
> someone, somewhere, who felt the need to think otherwise. Sad for them.

Well maybe mock is a bit strong, but they do on occasions step outside of the depression, and look at how other people see depression.
 
> When has he written about black clouds in Manchester?

> When has he written about Manchester at all since he's been living in LA?

I think you've answered your own question Danny Boy.

George Best got buried today beside his mum.

Life goes on.

Goodnight for now.
 
> Well maybe mock is a bit strong, but they do on occasions step outside of
> the depression, and look at how other people see depression.

Yes the majority of people I know see depression as "thankful for living"
Anyway please, I'm off now to a deep abyss.

Ta ta.

How the hell did Peter Cook get the best comedian ever, John Cleese, Tony Hancock...never mind maybe the old tie brigade had an input.
 
> Oh dear, such a shallow statement.
> How did you ever listen to anything other than the Bay City Rollers?

Shallow statement?

This person is practically blaming Morrissey for being alive. I'm sorry if you took my comment as a shallow one, I didn’t mean for it to come across that way. I was merely stating that It was their decision to bay the records and to change their life style. How they can blame Morrissey for ruining their adolescence is beyond me.

Sorry to disappoint you but, I’ve never listened to the Bay City Rollers.
 
> Shallow statement?

> This person is practically blaming Morrissey for being alive. I'm sorry if
> you took my comment as a shallow one, I didn’t mean for it to come across
> that way. I was merely stating that It was their decision to bay the
> records and to change their life style. How they can blame Morrissey for
> ruining their adolescence is beyond me.

> Sorry to disappoint you but, I’ve never listened to the Bay City Rollers.

Well I'm no psychiatrist so cannot for one minute imagine why you never listened to the bay city rollers, having all the traits.

Maybe you should bring it up at the next 1,ooooooooooooooooo dollar session.

I really have to go and give my brain a rest.
 
> Well I'm no psychiatrist so cannot for one minute imagine why you never
> listened to the bay city rollers, having all the traits.

> Maybe you should bring it up at the next 1,ooooooooooooooooo dollar
> session.

> I really have to go and give my brain a rest.

And on that note, I bid you good night.
 
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