Horse called Frankly Mr Shankly running today (Thursday)
3.10 Chelmsford
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What a flatulent pain in the arse...f***ing won at 10-1 I knew I should have put some money on but of course gambling is a mug's game
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The resemblance to his Dad is uncanny...
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And on into the Stretford Steve...
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Nothing to declare but his genes.
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There’s M’s dad posing with his few precious Elvis memorabilia items.
Wonder what his feelings were of his son that basically became a present day Elvis, I mean as far as fan adoration and his rise to fame?
Was it strange, was he proud?
Though, I guess it was a little strange
from the point of view of his mom and sister when it was all beginning.
I’m sure they were/are happy for his success. Then again, in their eyes and heart, he’s always the son, the brother, Steven.
Any thoughts?
No, not quite:In the autobiography Moz said his Dad said (of the November video) that Shirley Bassey would be jealous. And his Dad said he once shook hands with him like he was meeting a stranger. So I'm guessing, it's strained.
My wee career involves media & my parents ignore it, my sister commiserates that it's so bad & my brother is really proud & records everything I'm involved in.
No, not quite:
"Tim had asked me to do the entire November spawned a monster video naked. I explained to him that this would be impossible since my entire lower body had been destroyed by fire in 1965. His expression remained wide-eyed with belief as he replied, ‘Oh.’ After watching the video, my father commented, ‘Shirley Bassey will be furious,’ which left me momentarily puzzled."
Just had a look at that thread. Incredible how everyone is desperate to assert that they STILL love The Smiths despite Morrissey having been a part of them. I guess they really were the greatest band ever, not even Morrissey has the power to taint them in their eyes...
There’s M’s dad posing with his few precious Elvis memorabilia items.
Wonder what his feelings were of his son that basically became a present day Elvis, I mean as far as fan adoration and his rise to fame?
Was it strange, was he proud?
Though, I guess it was a little strange
from the point of view of his mom and sister when it was all beginning.
I’m sure they were/are happy for his success. Then again, in their eyes and heart, he’s always the son, the brother, Steven.
Any thoughts?
Ach. Damn memory.
Quite.
And í still maintain that Morrissey's damn memory was playing up in "Autobiography". It seems more likely that his father was being shown the "Hulmerist" compilation which ends with "November Spawned A Monster" segueing quite wonderfully into the Tim Broad coda of Wolverhampton wanderers beneath Bassey's "You'll Never Walk Alone". í would imagine that might have been the spark for that comment rather than the Death Valley porno. The "November Spawned A Monster" promo reminded me of many things, but Dame Shirley wasn't one of them? Plus as a Manchester Red he probably wasn't too amused...
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You're probably right. I once tried to put his tour recollections from the last third of the book into chronological order because they're all over the place (hehe) and it's obvious that other parts of the book are also completely mixed up.Quite.
And í still maintain that Morrissey's damn memory was playing up in "Autobiography". It seems more likely that his father was being shown the "Hulmerist" compilation which ends with "November Spawned A Monster" segueing quite wonderfully into the Tim Broad coda of Wolverhampton wanderers beneath Bassey's "You'll Never Walk Alone". í would imagine that might have been the spark for that comment rather than the Death Valley porno. The "November Spawned A Monster" promo reminded me of many things, but Dame Shirley wasn't one of them? Plus as a Manchester Red he probably wasn't too amused...
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You're probably right. I once tried to put his tour recollections from the last third of the book into chronological order because they're all over the place (hehe) and it's obvious that other parts of the book are also completely mixed up.
The memory lapses abound. His Jake belly-pillow was shot for "Details" magazine, not "Creem" {although perhaps a Freudian slippage?}
Not a deal breaker though. Still a wonderful book.
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He was never keen on talking about his father. Makes me think of this moment documented in the Les Inrocks interview from 1995:
"Q: Do your parents feel responsible for your constant state of sadness?
M: It pains my mother a lot. Not that she feels responsible but she's perfectly aware of my state of dissatisfaction. She'd love so much to see me happy and totally fulfilled. Yet, nothing is her fault.
Q: What about your father?
M: ...(He pulls a wry face, keeps silent and makes a wide gesture of the hand as a signal of defense. Then points to the microphone on the table, shaking his head, unable to speak. It follows an endless silence.)"
What's quite interesting is that whenever Peter is mentioned in Autobiography, it's either about sports and something bad happening to young Morrissey (watching his father swin before being pushed into the pool, almost drowning; Peter taking him to Old Trafford, where Morrissey collapses in the heat) or his father being disappointed in him ("In the play On Dartmoor I am Ulrick, a sulky child with a stupid voice. Unseen, I persistently shout down from an imaginary bedroom. The audience laugh, but my father does not. ‘You were very embarrassing,’ he tells me, as I appear all-smiles, and my air-balloon collides. Two years on, at Stretford Stadium I represent the school in the 400 meters dash (of sorts), legs muddied, face wet with rain, I clamber in at fourth place. My father is standing by the finishing-line. As I approach him he says, ‘You didn’t win,’ and he looks away, and life decomposes in a bucket. Perhaps I didn’t win but it didn’t help anyone to point it out.") or annoyed ("In 1972 I had played All the young dudes by Mott the Hoople to my father, and as it spun innocently before us on orange CBS, he stands to leave. ‘Ooh no, I’m not having that,’ were his words as he vanished in disgust. What exactly he wasn’t having I still do not know.") before Peter disappears almost completely from the narrative after moving out of the family home.
I don't know if it's what he had intended but I always imagine the lyrics of Dial-A-Cliché to be about his relationship with his father. I suppose it was never an easy one but Peter must have been proud nonetheless. He came to see him with The Smiths and also later on in his career. And like you said, he probably doesn't see him as "present day Elvis" but as his son Steven, who in the end managed to turn his quirks into his trademark and make a career out of it (oversimplification, I know).
I wonder if they had a fight over Peter speaking to Johnny Rogan for The Severed Alliance though.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Wonder if M forgave his father for speaking to Rogan? Do you know what year Peter went to one of his son’s solo shows? I mean if M invited him after the Rogan incident then that may answer the question, some what.
And yes, I think it’s safe to assume Dial a cliche is about his relationship with his father.
One more thought. If Morrissey was
puzzled by his fathers comment about
the November video, then that could mean that their relationship is such that Morrissey didn’t even feel comfortable with asking his father what he meant by the comment. Which is sad.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Wonder if M forgave his father for speaking to Rogan? Do you know what year Peter went to one of his son’s solo shows? I mean if M invited him after the Rogan incident then that may answer the question, some what.
And yes, I think it’s safe to assume Dial a cliche is about his relationship with his father.
One more thought. If Morrissey was
puzzled by his fathers comment about
the November video, then that could mean that their relationship is such that Morrissey didn’t even feel comfortable with asking his father what he meant by the comment. Which is sad.
He was never keen on talking about his father. Makes me think of this moment documented in the Les Inrocks interview from 1995:
"Q: Do your parents feel responsible for your constant state of sadness?
M: It pains my mother a lot. Not that she feels responsible but she's perfectly aware of my state of dissatisfaction. She'd love so much to see me happy and totally fulfilled. Yet, nothing is her fault.
Q: What about your father?
M: ...(He pulls a wry face, keeps silent and makes a wide gesture of the hand as a signal of defense. Then points to the microphone on the table, shaking his head, unable to speak. It follows an endless silence.)"
What's quite interesting is that whenever Peter is mentioned in Autobiography, it's either about sports and something bad happening to young Morrissey (watching his father swin before being pushed into the pool, almost drowning; Peter taking him to Old Trafford, where Morrissey collapses in the heat) or his father being disappointed in him ("In the play On Dartmoor I am Ulrick, a sulky child with a stupid voice. Unseen, I persistently shout down from an imaginary bedroom. The audience laugh, but my father does not. ‘You were very embarrassing,’ he tells me, as I appear all-smiles, and my air-balloon collides. Two years on, at Stretford Stadium I represent the school in the 400 meters dash (of sorts), legs muddied, face wet with rain, I clamber in at fourth place. My father is standing by the finishing-line. As I approach him he says, ‘You didn’t win,’ and he looks away, and life decomposes in a bucket. Perhaps I didn’t win but it didn’t help anyone to point it out.") or annoyed ("In 1972 I had played All the young dudes by Mott the Hoople to my father, and as it spun innocently before us on orange CBS, he stands to leave. ‘Ooh no, I’m not having that,’ were his words as he vanished in disgust. What exactly he wasn’t having I still do not know.") before Peter disappears almost completely from the narrative after moving out of the family home.
I don't know if it's what he had intended but I always imagine the lyrics of Dial-A-Cliché to be about his relationship with his father. I suppose it was never an easy one but Peter must have been proud nonetheless. He came to see him with The Smiths and also later on in his career. And like you said, he probably doesn't see him as "present day Elvis" but as his son Steven, who in the end managed to turn his quirks into his trademark and make a career out of it (oversimplification, I know).
I wonder if they had a fight over Peter speaking to Johnny Rogan for The Severed Alliance though.
He was present {along with his Mother} at the Royal Albert Hall concerts in 2002.
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One thing that's very strange about the whole "Sausage Appliance" thing is that Morrissey said Rogan didn't speak to anyone from his family - which is obviously false.