Tirade against the NME on Morrissey Official FB by Peter Katsis

Appears to come from Peter Katsis. Appallingly written mess of a statement.

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"The N.M.E. used to represent the underground.

Now they are becoming known as The Guardian of rock music.

They had to stop printing copies.

Not because no one buys magazines.

Print publications like Q Magazine and Kerrang! still exist, because they remember who they are.

But not N.M.E.

They forgot who they were.

And because they just aren’t cool anymore.

N.M.E. are also just full of shit.

And can’t even afford good writers to work for them.

They like to remind readers of all the past allegations of the year, despite their lack of any basis in fact, despite that they are just re-hashing stories over and over, old news, fake news, etc.

But they leave out their own old issues, of lawsuits lost, and legal battles that forced them to apologize to M in the past.

And they lie more than Donald Trump.

-N.M.E. asked no one from M’s camp for comment to their recent story.

-Haslam was never a Moz fan. He was a publicity hound who had a new book coming that no one cared about.

-We didn’t cancel our summer shows because of Haslam’s weak event, the protest that drew no people.

-Moz in not a racist.

None of M’s latino fans care about UK politics, but hell…..why not call them up and try and find a story where one doesn’t exist?

Not like they have anything real to write about……like music.

Because they don’t even know what music is anymore.

Basically all this points to the fact that writer(?) Bob Chiarito and his editors at N.M.E. have been relegated to meaninglessness.

Not really even worth writing about for this Facebook post.

We stand up for ourselves here, not because we give a shit anymore what these folks say…..

…..but to point out to the fans and music industry of the UK that they’ve changed their title.

Now N.M.E. stands for …….Now Mostly Excrement.

No longer of any value to the music community…. they have decided to be the TMZ of music news.

Good riddance. - PK"

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[Cornflakes]

I'm not right wing nor left wing, so I'm not the person who will justify harsh capitalism. But as soon as governments have to limit excessively personal freedoms to achieve distribution goals that's the foundation of a dictatorship that will ruin everything. It's not about right or left, it's about a system that respect people's rights and freedom and that allows distribution under fair rules and laws, but not under government (always corrupt) hands.

If I may. In situations where there is a tension between socio-economic equality and personal liberty, which arise frequently, anyone who would tend to come down on the side of personal liberty is right wing. That's almost a dictionary definition. So, if that cap fits, you're right wing. If you believe you have discovered a magical apolitical realm of thought, you are kidding yourself.

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

No, I said that precisely because I don't trust the corrupt and greedy bastards to police themselves. That is what happens when politicians and governments distribute the fruit of people's personal work by the mean of first appropriating it and then managing it to please their own interests and pockets.

But you trust the greedy and corrupt bastards to police themselves and redistribute the money to their staff?

Maybe you think Ruper Murdoch will start a redistribution programme? Anyone else you think will start to redistribute their billions? Lots of employers are prepared to pay their staff a fair share for the contribution to their business but to be fair most aren't. That's where taxation comes in to take the extra that those f***ers won't pay.

Then you come to normal taxation from all of us that pays for schools, the police, hospitals, emergency services, roads and the likes.

This is how society works. You Libertarian types can always lead by example and pay your staff a fair wage, give them benefits befitting their contribution to your business, etc, oh wait, that'll be like waiting for Hell to freeze over right?

 

[StalinsPipe]

No, I said that precisely because I don't trust the corrupt and greedy bastards to police themselves. That is what happens when politicians and governments distribute the fruit of people's personal work by the mean of first appropriating it and then managing it to please their own interests and pockets.

Do you believe in the minimum/living wage? Do you believe in a national health service? Do you believe that capitalists will distribute money, but politicians are hindering them? Would Apple, Google, Amazon and Starbucks pay taxes if it wasn't for those damned politicians?

 

[countthree]

If I may. In situations where there is a tension between socio-economic equality and personal liberty, which arise frequently, anyone who would tend to come down on the side of personal liberty is right wing. That's almost a dictionary definition. So, if that cap fits, you're right wing. If you believe you have discovered a magical apolitical realm of thought, you are kidding yourself.

I didn't discover anything, but I don't think it's clever to adopt every single time one or another position when you have one of those "tensions" between freedom and economical equality. That is the trap of an ideological imprisonment in which I will not fall, because human minds are designed to think by themselves and to debate about facts and unique circumstances. We are not computers who have to limit to be programmed by pre-made ideologies and produce all the times the same mechanical output under different circumstances.
Besides, who said that freedom and economical equality are mutually excluding? On the contrary, sometimes without economical equality people can't be free, but that doesn't mean socialism or communism are the only paths to achieve that equality of economic opportunities. Freedom is useless if you are hungry or ill, that's more than obvious. But remember the leveling of economical opportunities appeared just when people could exercise their freedom through democracy, not before.

 

[StalinsPipe]

This is how society works. You Libertarian types can always lead by example and pay your staff a fair wage, give them benefits befitting their contribution to your business, etc, oh wait, that'll be like waiting for Hell to freeze over right?

The thing that annoys me about these right wing libertarians is their appropriation and bastardising of libertarianism.

 

[countthree]

But you trust the greedy and corrupt bastards to police themselves and redistribute the money to their staff?

Maybe you think Ruper Murdoch will start a redistribution programme? Anyone else you think will start to redistribute their billions? Lots of employers are prepared to pay their staff a fair share for the contribution to their business but to be fair most aren't. That's where taxation comes in to take the extra that those f***ers won't pay.

Then you come to normal taxation from all of us that pays for schools, the police, hospitals, emergency services, roads and the likes.

This is how society works. You Libertarian types can always lead by example and pay your staff a fair wage, give them benefits befitting their contribution to your business, etc, oh wait, that'll be like waiting for Hell to freeze over right?

You don't know what you are talking about and -sincerely- I hope you never know it. Sometimes hate and resentment is bigger than reason. I'm not libertarian, I'm not Ayn Rand. I'm a catholic and by definition I believe in helping others and I hope being helped too. I know there are many services the states have to manage and we have to pay for them. But without a a margin of freedom and self-determination a human being is not human. It's just a tool to the service of others, a slave of the state.
If you want to put your life and your future under the hands of a socialist government, I invite you to move to one of the countries that live under those regimes and try it.

 

[vegan.cro spirit# 313]

No, I said that precisely because I don't trust the corrupt and greedy bastards to police themselves. That is what happens when politicians and governments distribute the fruit of people's personal work by the mean of first appropriating it and then managing it to please their own interests and pockets.

Crime is endemic in Commie Countries. Everybody steals from their work. Cubans steal the cigars and sell it to tourist peeps on the streets. Everywhere the Commies get it its chaos and half the country tries to flee. Its a disaster, the Communism.

There is little crimes like burglary of houses because there is hardly anything to steal. You are also likely to disappear if you get caught, unlike the permissive Democracies.

 

[countthree]

Do you believe in the minimum/living wage? Do you believe in a national health service? Do you believe that capitalists will distribute money, but politicians are hindering them? Would Apple, Google, Amazon and Starbucks pay taxes if it wasn't for those damned politicians?

Do you know that Apple, Google, Amazon an other huge corporations pay relatively to their earnings way less taxes than the taxes paid by working people or middle classes?? Do you know that in every society there are many privileged people who don't pay taxes at all despite they are very rich? That is thanks to politicians, too. Besides, the thing about taxes is not putting more people under that weight, it's about the way that money is used to promote people's welfare. A society integrated by free thinking people is more able to control the use of the money of taxes than a society ruled by a dictatorship.

 

[Winter Trees]

Do you believe in the minimum/living wage? Do you believe in a national health service? Do you believe that capitalists will distribute money, but politicians are hindering them? Would Apple, Google, Amazon and Starbucks pay taxes if it wasn't for those damned politicians?

All of those you mention above have defaulted massively on paying their fair share of corporation tax and are allowed to get away with it too. Whilst ordinary working people are fined or jailed for not paying theirs. The system is orchestrated to suit and benefit the already wealthy. We now live under corporate-feudalism.

 

[URBANUS]

Do you know that Apple, Google, Amazon an other huge corporations pay relatively to their earnings way less taxes than the taxes paid by working people or middle classes?? Do you know that in every society there are many privileged people who don't pay taxes at all despite they are very rich? That is thanks to politicians, too. Besides, the thing about taxes is not putting more people under that weight, it's about the way that money is used to promote people's welfare. A society integrated by free thinking people is more able to control the use of the money of taxes than a society ruled by a dictatorship.

Imagine them allowing people not to pay taxes at all and instead allowing everyone to save money and pay for the things they need.
Perhaps the only thing we truly need to pay taxes for are the roads but all the other things people need they could pay themselves if only they could keep all their money instead of paying tax.
God knows how many rich kids were given children benefits despite having wealthy parents who don't really need that not to mention paying for all the health costs that people who never cared about their health brought upon us.
Those in power fear that average people will dictate over their own money cause that way they could become a threat to the ones in power. Waco and Koresh was a great example of course and a host of other so called cults and movements where people were murderd simply because the state were in fear of them.
Nothing is ever a better way to keep people under control than tax funded benefits. Socialism in all its various experimental forms are truly a heavy chain of a burden.

 

[StalinsPipe]

Do you know that Apple, Google, Amazon an other huge corporations pay relatively to their earnings way less taxes than the taxes paid by working people or middle classes?? Do you know that in every society there are many privileged people who don't pay taxes at all despite they are very rich? That is thanks to politicians, too. Besides, the thing about taxes is not putting more people under that weight, it's about the way that money is used to promote people's welfare. A society integrated by free thinking people is more able to control the use of the money of taxes than a society ruled by a dictatorship.

That was my point. Google, Amazon, Starbucks etc pay f*** all taxes, while their employees, who are the ones making money for those companies do.

And I agree, many politicians have failed to tackle these companies, and have spouted the same old lies that to do so would lead to economic disaster. They said the same thing when Labour introduced the minimum wage, and economic disaster didn't happen. The average worker was better off.

I can see where you're coming from with "putting more people under that weight", but as it stands at the moment, massive corporations don't pay their fair share of tax, while the working class do. Apple is now a trillion dollar company, hoarding money for no other reason than the fact that they can, while they pay their Chinese labourers a pittance. Meanwhile, they get allowed to pay tiny amount of tax relative to its income in the UK. We shouldn't be putting more weight on the average worker in terms of tax burden, but we need to do so on large companies to ensure that the nation state does have enough taxes that it can spend properly and on the right things.

 

[URBANUS]

NME always was the most angst ridden arse f***ed home for the truly talentless brainwashed people from uni's across the land. The very idea of a journalist is in itself a mockery upon the creation of man. For people to position themselves as those that need to explain things people already knew yesteryear.
There simply is nothing more useless than journalists and they are not needed and were never needed in any way whatsoever but people in general prefer filtered down news and views to make them able to sleep at night.
I am not one of those people.

 

[StalinsPipe]

All of those you mention above have defaulted massively on paying their fair share of corporation tax and are allowed to get away with it too. Whilst ordinary working people are fined or jailed for not paying theirs. The system is orchestrated to suit and benefit the already wealthy. We now live under corporate-feudalism.

Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic. That was the point I was making. We are constantly told, particularly people in America, that a heavy tax burden on the rich stifles economic productivity, when we all know that isn't true.

 

[URBANUS]

What I remember the most from reading NME in the 90's was that the male journos were all wanking over this and that indie band girl in the most depressing fashion ever seen. The way that paper sexualised someone like Björk and the girls from Lush is truly one of the darkest chapters in music journalism.

 

[StalinsPipe]

Amazon UK had revenues of £1.46 billion in 2017. It paid only £7.5 million in tax, which is around 0.5% of its income. If it, and all those other corporations, paid what I and the majority of workers paid, which is 20% of our income, plus national insurance payments, it would certainly go some way to help plugging the estimated NHS budget shortfall of £30 billion by 2020.

 

[Cornflakes]

I didn't discover anything, but I don't think it's clever to adopt every single time one or another position when you have one of those "tensions" between freedom and economical equality. That is the trap of an ideological imprisonment in which I will not fall, because human minds are designed to think by themselves and to debate about facts and unique circumstances.

This doesn't seem logically coherent, the context of what you have said previously. On the one hand, it's perfectly reasonable to point out that we live in a complex world and individual cases will call for individual responses. But what makes you right wing is not that you will "adopt every single time one or another position" (although, think about it for a second, because you inevitably will, unless you decide in a particular case that you don't care). It's that you have declared a bias for the concept of liberty. Given that there's an undeniable connection between liberty and wealth, your bias will, unavoidably, tend to favour the interests of the wealthy. This is what makes you right wing.

It also generally tends to be the case, in my experience, that people who profess to put the idea of liberty on a pedestal do so pretty selectively and with geographical blinkers firmly in place, so as to make the bias all the more pronounced. Although I'm not necessarily accusing you of that aggravated offence.

 

[StalinsPipe]

This doesn't seem logically coherent, the context of what you have said previously. On the one hand, it's perfectly reasonable to point out that we live in a complex world and individual cases will call for individual responses. But what makes you right wing is not that you will "adopt every single time one or another position" (although, think about it for a second, because you inevitably will, unless you decide in a particular case that you don't care). It's that you have declared a bias for the concept of liberty. Given that there's an undeniable connection between liberty and wealth, your bias will, unavoidably, tend to favour the interests of the wealthy. This is what makes you right wing.

It also generally tends to be the case, in my experience, that people who profess to put the idea of liberty on a pedestal do so pretty selectively and with geographical blinkers firmly in place, so as to make the bias all the more pronounced. Although I'm not necessarily accusing you of that aggravated offence.

Agreed. Total, complete economic liberty in which little taxes are paid and there is little economic regulation may be liberating for the extremely wealthy, but it ultimately hinders the liberty of the average person. Without progressive taxation we wouldn't have the budgets for all of the things we depend on to be free in the 21st century, whether it be healthcare, roads, transport etc.

It's funny really. I, like countthree, believe in a utopian form of liberty, but a very different form of liberty in which we are free from the enslavement and dictatorship of capital, which has been essential to human and civil development, but is now in desperate form of overhaul. But, when you think about it, true liberty for all just can't exist and never will, and someone will always claim their rights are being trampled on.

 

[Winter Trees]

Amazon UK had revenues of £1.46 billion in 2017. It paid only £7.5 million in tax, which is around 0.5% of its income. If it, and all those other corporations, paid what I and the majority of workers paid, which is 20% of our income, plus national insurance payments, it would certainly go some way to help plugging the estimated NHS budget shortfall of £30 billion by 2020.

Exactly!

 

[vegan.cro spirit# 765]

This doesn't seem logically coherent, the context of what you have said previously. On the one hand, it's perfectly reasonable to point out that we live in a complex world and individual cases will call for individual responses. But what makes you right wing is not that you will "adopt every single time one or another position" (although, think about it for a second, because you inevitably will, unless you decide in a particular case that you don't care). It's that you have declared a bias for the concept of liberty. Given that there's an undeniable connection between liberty and wealth, your bias will, unavoidably, tend to favour the interests of the wealthy. This is what makes you right wing.

It also generally tends to be the case, in my experience, that people who profess to put the idea of liberty on a pedestal do so pretty selectively and with geographical blinkers firmly in place, so as to make the bias all the more pronounced. Although I'm not necessarily accusing you of that aggravated offence.

Thats pretty incoherent, according to your theory Hitler-who according to the LOONS was extreme right wing would be extremely pro liberty.

You dont have to be wealthy to be free. You can be free with full liberty and be poor.
Of course in Commie countries you have no liberty no money and no freedom.

 

[in spades]

Amazon UK had revenues of £1.46 billion in 2017. It paid only £7.5 million in tax, which is around 0.5% of its income. If it, and all those other corporations, paid what I and the majority of workers paid, which is 20% of our income, plus national insurance payments, it would certainly go some way to help plugging the estimated NHS budget shortfall of £30 billion by 2020.

All the Amazon workers paid the so called 20 percent.
If on top of that you want them to pay 2o percent more, LOL, there wont be any Amazon soon enough
to pay anything.
You commies think that money magically appears by kicking a tree or something.