TTY: Hate-rosexuality; Morrissey on the Orlando massacre

Hate-rosexuality - true-to-you.net
13 June 2016

Although the gunman who massacred 49 people at an Orlando gay club is said to have been 'repulsed' by homosexuality, he nonetheless left behind a slew of self-adoring 'selfies'; a handsome man gazing enchantedly at his own face. It is therefore acceptable for him to lovingly admire his own maleness, but it is not OK for other men to like other men. Does Islamic scripture say it is fitting for a man to sit alone taking adoring photographs of himself? I doubt it.
Meanwhile, Donald Thump, probably America's next President, reacts to the Orlando massacre by explaining how, if the people within the club were themselves armed with guns, then there would have been fewer casualties. This, of course, is his way of avoiding any words of support to the Orlando gay community (it is their own fault for going into a nightclub without hand grenades). Donald Thump would therefore probably claim that the massacred children of Sandy Hook would still be alive today if only they'd had the common sense to carry sawn-off shotguns to school. The Thump response to Orlando is therefore anti-gay and pro-gun possession. Ann Coulter will be waving her baseball cap and cheering. It's all going so well for America!
Unfortunately, CNN obliged the gunman once again with a flashing flood of publicity - which is all he ever wanted, and which will encourage the next shooter to prepare for international fame. Why show the gunman's face? Nobody needs to see it.
The larger disaster is the two leading faces in the presidential race, as the world prepares to shake its head in disbelief when the new president is named. Clinton is the face and voice of pooled money (and will therefore repay the established elite with whatever they want if she is elected), and Donald Thump is George Wallace - hating just about anyone who doesn't happen to be Donald Thump. Surely this is not 2016 America?
Thump's only achievement so far is in making Sarah Palin seem intelligent, which, admittedly, is so difficult as to be a colossal strike in his favor.
The true victory of the presidential race has been the independent success of Bernie Sanders, whose approach has been so sane and intelligent and measured that he has been therefore all but entirely ignored by the U.S. media, who cannot understand anyone who is not blood-thirsty. This is because Bernie Sanders is human, and one who unusually did not gain his position because of several billion invested dollars. His many primary successes in the presidential race have been headlined as LOSS FOR CLINTON, whereas a Clinton win has not ever been headlined as LOSS FOR SANDERS. Bernie Sanders has been pushed out by the media because the idea of a self-made man who does not crave international war is completely alien to such as Fox News. The idea of a man who is popular because he calls for world peace and for rescue of the environment cannot provide outraged headlines for CNN, who have devoted their online news page to Donald Thump long before Thump was even a logical contender. Thump doing absolutely nothing has been more newsworthy to CNN than Sanders' state-to-state victories.
Ballot papers for 2016 should include a NO CONFIDENCE IN EITHER NOMINEE box, and it is this box that would collect the most votes.
Clinton and Thump may be popular with the party faithful - but the party faithful aren't that large, and are not America, therefore a sad day looms in November - a day that only Bernie Sanders could have saved - had he been allowed his rightful share of media support. But, clearly, the presidential election really is none of your business. Did you ever seriously think it was?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRQZuzBTKeQ

MORRISSEY
June 2016.

 

[caramel sea salt]

It makes me so sad to see how this horrible tragedy keeps getting used to attack Donald Trump (and in this case also to praise Bernie Sanders). Yes, Trump is a moron of epic proportions, but we all know that by now, and Sanders has nothing to do with this.

By all means, politicise the Orlando shooting, but at least focus on what lies at the root of the problem: homophobia, gun laws and radical Islam.

 

[Pokey]

Blah ! Blah ! Blah !
Shut up Steven have you no shame ? 49 people have died and many more injured.
Very poor taste but it was to be expected.

Benny-the-British-Butcher

Blah blah blah, shut up Benny!

Christ, the man isn't saying anything that millions on social media themselves are saying. But, because you have a personal vendetta against him you have some special problem with anything he says.

Sometimes he says stupid shit, sometimes he's on point. The fact that you have a problem with EVERYTHING he says speaks more about you than him. The pertinent question being, if you have such a universal problem with everything to do with him, why do you obsessively hang around here hanging on his every word?

Morrissey talks about a current issue, you talk about Morrissey. You're a bigger broken record than he is you pathetic prick.

 

[Anonymous]

It now comes to light that the gunman may have had contradictory feelings about homosexuality.
Well, who would have thought?

For some, dealing with their homosexuality is a problem, for some, dealing with their heterosexuality is. And for some, just love is a problem. Why pretend it's just a question of hating other people, when it's always mostly yourself you hate anyway, whoever you hate?

Showing the guy's face, don't see the problem with that. He was human, after all. Wasn't he?

 

[SeniorLife]

For someone who penned the song 'America is Not the World', he sure does take great interest in our politics.

Nobody should be politicizing the loss of these lives so soon after the fact. Politicians or 'celebrities'. It's tasteless. Yes, in time it should be fodder for political commentary. Not 48 hours after. Respect the lives lost.

You lose an element of credibility when you name call.

80% of the people who support Bernie Sanders wouldn't be able to define what a socialist is.

 

[Anonymous]

Er... wasn't Sandy Hook proven to be a False Flag operation? Don't believe everything you see on the news Mozzer...

 

[Anonymous]

Quote from an Atheist on Twitter - 'it's about time they started shooting perverts instead of innocent people'. Discuss.

 

[Anonymous]

It now comes to light that the gunman may have had contradictory feelings about homosexuality.
Well, who would have thought?

I have no doubt that all over the world, there are people struggling with their sexuality, and how it clashes with their religion. I'm sure plenty of people flip out over it, all the time. Sadly, the USA is the only Western country where if you are going to flip out, you can walk into a shop and buy an assault rifle 5 minutes before, and REALLY go nuts.

 

[Anonymous]

my thoughts exactly. Most bernie supporters are really naive about politics to be honest and they only support him because he's the underdog anf the lesser of the evils between hilary and trump. Moz probably was with Hilary at first, but now since Bernie is popular among the young and naive crowd, suddenly is all for bernie

They support him for a bunch of different reasons I believe but they are pretty naive. I read that many couldn't accurately define socialism when asked but really I don't think many people could define modern capitalism as it exists today either. He, Bernie had a lot of good intentions at first, but it's over and his refusal to admit that is just damping to that legacy of good intentions. Even if he still had a chance his positions on gun control would hurt him. I believe a politician can change there mind but this event when politicized would only hurt him in the press. This needs to spur a debate about gun control not hate. You can't always spot hate when hidden and you can't always identify terrorists in the making but you can limit there ability to harm people with weapons designed for the mass killing of human beings

 

[Kenmare]

I have no doubt that all over the world, there are people struggling with their sexuality, and how it clashes with their religion. I'm sure plenty of people flip out over it, all the time. Sadly, the USA is the only Western country where if you are going to flip out, you can walk into a shop and buy an assault rifle 5 minutes before, and REALLY go nuts.

I don't know all of the international gun laws, but I do agree with you. I'm living in the U.S. and Second Amendment notwithstanding, there is neither a right, need, nor exigency for any resident to own an AK47, missile launcher, or anything of the sort. Those who hide behind the cloak of "protecting our homes" and "sport shooting" know this as well. It's rubbish.

I do like the fact that, mirroring communities in Orlando, New York, Boston, and other areas, members of Congress are now refusing to stand for hollow and cloying moments of silence. The empty gestures mean nothing with a legislature that continues to allow massacre machines into the hands of the public.

 

[evennow]

"Unfortunately, CNN obliged the gunman once again with a flashing flood of publicity - which is all he ever wanted, and which will encourage the next shooter to prepare for international fame.

I wouldn't say all. He obviously had strong, negative feelings about homosexuality and homosexuals in general that led to his actions. Gun ownership/possession is the biggest problem facing the US right now and he is absolutely correct about how the media basically fuels the fire of insanity by endlessly broadcasting coverage of these events and the person(s) responsible. Who needs ISIS when the media acts as its own promoter of death and violence by making these individuals infamous for their actions?

I was thinking of just this yesterday and went back to when people would streak (run naked) at sporting events. I can remember back in the 1970's they would televise the person as they ran across the field, and at that time it was a semi-regular occurrence. Until they stopped, and now it rarely if ever happens at least here in America. Not that you can conflate the two, but nothing good can come out over stylized media coverage of negative behavior of any kind.

Unfortunately, the blame does not fall 100% on the media. Most Americans eat this stuff up. Going back to OJ Simpson you just know that when something epically bad happens like what happened in Orlando that CNN will turn it into a marathon of programming and coverage lasting days if not weeks until the public turns its head to the next disastrous event. Until all of the focus is placed on the victims and their families and not the perpetrator of these unspeakable crimes against humanity, then we should expect more sick, twisted individuals who are desirous of the same level of infamy to pick up a gun and follow the path that the media has so willingly prepared for them.

 

[ACTON]

Nice post from Morrissey. I wouldn't call the gunman 'handsome' though. The title of his post is excellent.

For the second part of his post, the piece about Bernie being ignored by the media reminds me of Moz's complaints about how The Smiths were ignored until they were gone (especially with regards to radio play).

However, the one thing that strikes me over and over again is the way the News and indeed Moz himself refers to it as a 'gay' nightclub. I know it is germane to the tragedy but the real story is the terrible loss of life on such a large scale, regardless of the orientation or otherwise of the poor victims.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know all of the international gun laws, but I do agree with you. I'm living in the U.S. and Second Amendment notwithstanding, there is neither a right, need, nor exigency for any resident to own an AK47, missile launcher, or anything of the sort. Those who hide behind the cloak of "protecting our homes" and "sport shooting" know this as well. It's rubbish.

I do like the fact that, mirroring communities in Orlando, New York, Boston, and other areas, members of Congress are now refusing to stand for hollow and cloying moments of silence. The empty gestures mean nothing with a legislature that continues to allow massacre machines into the hands of the public.

Very much agree. I was told a guy I was buying smoke from in my youth that I owned two hand guns, don't know why we even talking about guns but it was probably a topic he brought up, but he then asked if I wanted to buy a hand grenade. I knew it was time to stop talking to this guy but it also of course made me think good god why and how does this guy have a hand grenade. Could have just been b.s or perhaps it was deactivated but if for sure made me think what's wrong with people. I was also glad to see house Dems walk out but we can only hope that it'll make any change. Possessing an unlicensed gun here is only a third day imprisonment charge here and when we tried to change it it ran into the usual trouble and the bill got killed.

Even now,

Yeah I agree about the media coverage as there are ways to report without naming and bringing celebrity like attention to mass killers. Reminds me of mansons stance after columbine

 

[caramel sea salt]

However, the one thing that strikes me over and over again is the way the News and indeed Moz himself refers to it as a 'gay' nightclub. I know it is germane to the tragedy but the real story is the terrible loss of life on such a large scale, regardless of the orientation or otherwise of the poor victims.

They refer to it as a "gay club" because it was a gay club.

If a terrorist with a track record of expressing hatred of and disgust at Jewish people had walked into a synagogue and murdered 50 Jewish people, we would rightly refer to it as an anti-semitic attack.

If a crazy gunman had walked into a mosque and shot 50 Muslims, we would rightly refer to it as an islamophobic hate crime.

But when a terrorist with a track record of expressing hatred of and disgust at gay people walks into a gay club and murders 50 people in cold blood we cannot call it an attack on gay people?

WTF?

 

[Anonymous]

my thoughts exactly. Most bernie supporters are really naive about politics to be honest and they only support him because he's the underdog anf the lesser of the evils between hilary and trump. Moz probably was with Hilary at first, but now since Bernie is popular among the young and naive crowd, suddenly is all for bernie

it really is sad to see these old artists trying to relive their youth by jumping on the bernie train. bernie would have islamic terrorists running loose on the streets ffs but would persecute peeps for working in wall street.
this from someone who never had a real job in his life.

i dont think taking selfies makes you gay if so everyone is gay and back.

 

[Anonymous]

For someone who penned the song 'America is Not the World', he sure does take great interest in our politics.

Nobody should be politicizing the loss of these lives so soon after the fact. Politicians or 'celebrities'. It's tasteless. Yes, in time it should be fodder for political commentary. Not 48 hours after. Respect the lives lost.

You lose an element of credibility when you name call.

80% of the people who support Bernie Sanders wouldn't be able to define what a socialist is.

or define what is meant by a 'job''.

 

[Anonymous]

Blah blah blah, shut up Benny!

Christ, the man isn't saying anything that millions on social media themselves are saying. But, because you have a personal vendetta against him you have some special problem with anything he says.

Sometimes he says stupid shit, sometimes he's on point. The fact that you have a problem with EVERYTHING he says speaks more about you than him. The pertinent question being, if you have such a universal problem with everything to do with him, why do you obsessively hang around here hanging on his every word?

Morrissey talks about a current issue, you talk about Morrissey. You're a bigger broken record than he is you pathetic prick.

As much as I agree with you that this Benny fella is a "pathetic prick" it is probably better to simply ignore him. He is nothing. He says nothing. He is the balding and dull man at the bus-stop who everybody avoids.

 

[Anonymous]

Anyone following the gay man found with three assault rifles in his car and explosive material as well. Was on probation not allowed to leave the state and wasn't allowed to own guns but no one checked to see if he complied and dubbed him a low risk offender. Gun control here is ridiculous and inefficient and the violence they allow people to cause is not centered around one group or religion or even around hate alone. Criminals use them when they rob banks as in the north holly wood shootout

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Or in the case of the mentally ill theatre shooter, at shady hook, in Baltimore which involved gang violence, when militias try and take over publics spaces and in terrorism both international and domestic. The nras defense of loose gun laws in beyond insane, it a facade and an evil one

 

[marred]

I wouldn't say all. He obviously had strong, negative feelings about homosexuality and homosexuals in general that led to his actions. Gun ownership/possession is the biggest problem facing the US right now and he is absolutely correct about how the media basically fuels the fire of insanity by endlessly broadcasting coverage of these events and the person(s) responsible. Who needs ISIS when the media acts as its own promoter of death and violence by making these individuals infamous for their actions?

The gun ownership is just the tip of the iceberg. Buried way down deep below the surface is the gun relationship America has with these powerful little machines. Like battered wife syndrome it's a relationship she is not going to break from anytime soon.

Obama's all too predictable speeches on what must be done chip away at the rest of the iceberg with a teaspoon. Owning guns is nothing compared to the bond America has with firearms.

 

[evennow]

The gun ownership is just the tip of the iceberg. Buried way down deep below the surface is the gun relationship America has with these powerful little machines. Like battered wife syndrome it's a relationship she is not going to break from anytime soon.

Obama's all too predictable speeches on what must be done chip away at the rest of the iceberg with a teaspoon. Owning guns is nothing compared to the bond America has with firearms.

That's true. I personally have no interest in owning a gun. I have never fired a gun in my life. Thank God. But I am torn regarding an individuals right to bear arms to protect themselves and their family in their own home. There was a reason why our forefathers had the insight to include this right into our Declaration of Independence, but they could not have foreseen how just over 240 years later America would be filled with the kind of idiots, deviants, hateful souls and mentally ill individuals capable of doing such harm and damage with the implement that offers protection from just such persons.

Gun lovers hold the second amendment to be God's law and those that hate guns use every violent outburst of a crazed gunman to seek to regulate gun ownership into extinction. The answer is...as always...somewhere in the middle. And given our history as a nation finding the middle ground is not one of our strong suits. Guns will never go away, and so we need to deal with it. How that will be done will take more than the typical rhetoric we hear from politicians after each mass shooting. The sad truth is that if a single person decides to carry out a destructive act of any sort there is really very little that can be done.

The term "radicalization" has come into vogue recently, but in actuality our society has been becoming more radicalized even before the recent terrorist activities. We are becoming angrier, short tempered, and less empathetic as a nation. Parents have been made absentee due to the need to make enough money to survive. But what about the children? What about the troubled souls? What about those in most need of help? Who can they turn to for help when society has seemed to turn its back on them?

 

[Calamine Lotion]

at least focus on what lies at the root of the problem: homophobia, gun laws and radical Islam.

Everyone seems to want it to be either homophobia or radical Islam when the two are very clearly related. Good post.
I think gun laws is a secondary thing but as more comes out about the shooter it's obvious he shouldn't have been allowed to own a gun. Now they are saying he threatened to shoot up his school in 5th grade and was suspended for two weeks. I wonder if the school felt pressure to let him off with such a light punishment. People are in such denial about the issue that his religion was a factor in this that I wonder if that was even more so when he was a child. The teachers are afraid of the pupils'... lawyers. Later in high school he claimed Osama Bin Laden was his uncle, which shows this wasn't just homophobic.