Belle & Sebastian back in the USA

[suzanne]

> Nah, in France it's Sezan. Maybe it's popular in Germany.

er....maybe if it were spelled Suhzein

> but people are still giving this name to newborns.
> it's a vicious circle.

its quick and painless and more inventive than "mary"

> If that were true then people would listen to the album from end to start,
> before they buy it. By your theory, there can be only one song at the
> beginning and the rest can be blank.

that's how most albums are these days.

i'm sure its even more so now because they figure that if its on a listening station at your local store, you'll hear the first track and go "wow!"

> she's got a new single out I think, we're too late.
> why don't people undergo scrutiny before being allowed
> into a studio?

i think we would have very little music period if that happened.

> having a brain can be debilitating as well.
> You can have a lobotomy.
> Apparently back then in the 50s when it
> was considered the magic solution to
> all mental illnesses (like today's pills)
> they took an ice pick and shoved it
> in a certain spot near the eye socket.
> That would disconnect the lobe in a sec.
> The doctor's observation would then
> be 'the patient looks giddy, relaxed and happy'.
> quacks!

i think that already happened to my brain, minus the giddy relaxed and happy part. they must have hit another center of the brain.

> yeah, but how do you explain the other 10 years?

i have that disease where you look older than what you are.

> credit is all so important in America.
> You can be a master criminal, but if you keep your credit clean ...

keep it clean for the crooks to come along and steal your identity!

> This line is not that bad. it's in the same vein as 'used to be a sweet
> boy,
> but something went wrong' i.e. as a child he had joy as every child has,
> but where and why did this joy go when he became a man?

is that what he meant? i couldn't tell, but that makes sense.

i think that joy naturally goes away...if it existed to begin with.

> which also ties in with 'you ran back to ma, which set the pace ...'.

but still, that lyric doesn't flow off the tongue. i'm not interested in how it ties in with the rest of the essay.

> Although I find the line 'you were a girl before you became a man'
> more amusing, but that's just me.

"you were a boy before you became a woman..."

> I also think that in 'First of the Gang' it should be 'such a busy boy'
> but that's also just me.

> yeah, they can't afford witnesses.

its the damn courts i tell ya.

 

[nonesoever]

> er....maybe if it were spelled Suhzein

Nah, just kidding, it's Suzanne in French as well.
you're right, it's very popular in France.

check this out:
http://www.geocities.com/edgarbook/names/s/susan.html
very interesting.

Susan was very popular in the 40s to 60s in the U.S.

> its quick and painless and more inventive than "mary"

they can write an X or Y or something that would be quick.
George of Seinfeld suggestion to name a child Seven (7)
Is practical.
That site is informative:
http://www.geocities.com/edgarbook/names/j/jennifer.html

> that's how most albums are these days.

something better change.

> i'm sure its even more so now because they figure that if its on a
> listening station at your local store, you'll hear the first track and go
> "wow!"

and then the sales person tells you you ran out of time? slick.

> i think we would have very little music period if that happened.

> i think that already happened to my brain, minus the giddy relaxed and
> happy part. they must have hit another center of the brain.

no laughing matter. the brain is a remarkable piece of art, if only
I knew what to do with it.

> i have that disease where you look older than what you are.

that's when a 12 years old looks like he's 70.
I wonder if there is an opposite disease.

> keep it clean for the crooks to come along and steal your identity!

they do, ha? you better buy the Ferrari.

> is that what he meant? i couldn't tell, but that makes sense.

I think he again returns to the concept of a childhood event setting
the course of adult life. "how you took a child and you made him old".
Just that this time he has some issues with his mother, not treating
his problems when he was still young ("I'm not to blame") and had he
not ran back to ma, his life would have taken a different course.
plus more complexes.

> i think that joy naturally goes away...if it existed to begin with.

The joy is always there as a child, hence the line
'you ran with your pals in the sun'
As a child your brain is underdeveloped, all your needs are met
and thus you have no worries. I would prefer that, but others may differ.

> but still, that lyric doesn't flow off the tongue. i'm not interested in
> how it ties in with the rest of the essay.

does Morrissey's lyrics ever flow off the tongue?

> "you were a boy before you became a woman..."

I guess that can work too. It depends on the person you're aiming at.

> its the damn courts i tell ya.

Morrissey would agree.

 

[suzanne]

> Nah, just kidding, it's Suzanne in French as well.
> you're right, it's very popular in France.

its the french version of "susan" basically.

> check this out:
> http://www.geocities.com/edgarbook/names/s/susan.html very interesting.

> Susan was very popular in the 40s to 60s in the U.S.

yes, but that's the name "susan" isn't it? i consider "suzanne" to be different because they aren't pronounced the same!

> they can write an X or Y or something that would be quick.
> George of Seinfeld suggestion to name a child Seven (7)

7 of 9 like in star trek...

> Is practical.
> That site is informative:
> http://www.geocities.com/edgarbook/names/j/jennifer.html something
> better change.

> and then the sales person tells you you ran out of time? slick.

no, they bank on the idea that you don't want to stand there for an hour and listen to the entire album.

> no laughing matter. the brain is a remarkable piece of art, if only
> I knew what to do with it.

i like the part of the brain that tells your lungs to breathe. i don't aspire for much.

> that's when a 12 years old looks like he's 70.
> I wonder if there is an opposite disease.

i wonder if there is. people on the trip kept asking me if i was still a student.

> they do, ha? you better buy the Ferrari.

> I think he again returns to the concept of a childhood event setting
> the course of adult life. "how you took a child and you made him
> old".
> Just that this time he has some issues with his mother, not treating
> his problems when he was still young ("I'm not to blame") and
> had he
> not ran back to ma, his life would have taken a different course.
> plus more complexes.

why can't he have issues with his dad?

> The joy is always there as a child, hence the line
> 'you ran with your pals in the sun'
> As a child your brain is underdeveloped, all your needs are met
> and thus you have no worries. I would prefer that, but others may differ.

i dunno. i think the kid that i read about who survived on ketchup and uncooked pasta for 3 weeks had something to worry about.

> does Morrissey's lyrics ever flow off the tongue?

i thought the point of his being a lyrical genius was that he didn't come up with clunkers.

> I guess that can work too. It depends on the person you're aiming at.

> Morrissey would agree.

probably where all those grey hairs came from

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> its the french version of "susan" basically.

yes it is.

> yes, but that's the name "susan" isn't it? i consider
> "suzanne" to be different because they aren't pronounced the
> same!

OK already, here it is:
http://www.geocities.com/edgarbook/names/s/suzanne.html

> 7 of 9 like in star trek...

I liked the name "Number 2". He couldn't just call him 2.
That was the catchiest name in all the series.

> no, they bank on the idea that you don't want to stand there for an hour
> and listen to the entire album.

oh, they are sooo wrong

> i like the part of the brain that tells your lungs to breathe. i don't
> aspire for much.

We always have all sorts of functions we don't actually want or know how
to use.

> i wonder if there is. people on the trip kept asking me if i was still a
> student.

Well, with all those Irish single mothers ... their babies are old enough to take care of themselves by the time they are in their late 20s (they have a child when they're 16). So they then go to uni.
They probably mistook you for one, or thought that's how it works everywhere.

> why can't he have issues with his dad?

It just wouldn't be the same and he's more attached to his mother.
"Oh Father, I can feel the soil falling over my head"

> i dunno. i think the kid that i read about who survived on ketchup and
> uncooked pasta for 3 weeks had something to worry about.

well that's not normal, but the kid was not at all worried the whole time, he or she probably won't even remember it.

> i thought the point of his being a lyrical genius was that he didn't come
> up with clunkers.

Does the line 'Reel around the fountain/slap me on the patio/I'll take it now' flows more off the tongue? or 'We hate it when our friends become successful'?
I think you just didn't like the line because you didn't understand its meaning, but the fact remains you remember it and know how to sing it and that's Morrissey for you.

> probably where all those grey hairs came from

with all the traumatic events he claims to have had, I wonder why he didn't have grey hair from the age of 7.

 

[suzanne]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> yes it is.

> OK already, here it is:
> http://www.geocities.com/edgarbook/names/s/suzanne.html I liked the name
> "Number 2". He couldn't just call him 2.
> That was the catchiest name in all the series.

maybe he was known for doing a "number 2" when he was under duress.

> oh, they are sooo wrong

ok, maybe you have nothing better to do, but the rest of us lead slightly more hectic lives.

> We always have all sorts of functions we don't actually want or know how
> to use.

some are quite nice

> Well, with all those Irish single mothers ... their babies are old enough
> to take care of themselves by the time they are in their late 20s (they
> have a child when they're 16). So they then go to uni.
> They probably mistook you for one, or thought that's how it works
> everywhere.

hey, this isn't ricki lake! this is ireland!

> It just wouldn't be the same and he's more attached to his mother.
> "Oh Father, I can feel the soil falling over my head"

he uses "mother" in a couple of songs and now she is the main cause of all his neuosies?

> well that's not normal, but the kid was not at all worried the whole time,
> he or she probably won't even remember it.

i disagree. i knew a couple of kids that were rescued from circumstances like that when i was growing up and one of them was permanently pissed off.

> Does the line 'Reel around the fountain/slap me on the patio/I'll take it
> now' flows more off the tongue? or 'We hate it when our friends become
> successful'?
> I think you just didn't like the line because you didn't understand its
> meaning, but the fact remains you remember it and know how to sing it and
> that's Morrissey for you.

i remember it because it sounded weird!

but i also remember a lot of his things because i've heard them over and over again. i'm not like Dana Carvey in the movie "clean slate"

thought the phrase just sorta hung there like he didn't know what to rhyme with it.

> with all the traumatic events he claims to have had, I wonder why he
> didn't have grey hair from the age of 7.

so what are you saying now about kids and worries?

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> maybe he was known for doing a "number 2" when he was under
> duress.

He was second in command, but maybe there's a double meaning.

> ok, maybe you have nothing better to do, but the rest of us lead slightly
> more hectic lives.

You're gonna listen to it in full anyway if you buy it or are you only
buying it as a mantel piece?
you can skip through it. I saw that on the Liz Kershaw Show on BBC 6 Music
they do a thing called 'the listening post' where they take a new album and cut
20 secs off every track and put it together so you can judge the album.
makes a lot of sense.
actually they have the new Belle & Sebastian on there:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/liz_kershaw/

> some are quite nice

those aren't the ones I was talking about.
have you found any new abilities you had, but you weren't aware of before?

> hey, this isn't ricki lake! this is ireland!

Britain has a serious problem with teen pregnancies, I don't think
Ireland is any different. America you're not alone!

> he uses "mother" in a couple of songs and now she is the main
> cause of all his neuosies?

well, it could be just my analysis, but yes.

> i disagree. i knew a couple of kids that were rescued from circumstances
> like that when i was growing up and one of them was permanently pissed
> off.

Scary, you lived in a very bad part of town?
I knew a kid who was permanently pissed off and wasn't rescued from
any such circumstances.

> i remember it because it sounded weird!

> but i also remember a lot of his things because i've heard them over and
> over again. i'm not like Dana Carvey in the movie "clean slate"

gotta love Dana Carvey. That's not a popular name for a male.

> thought the phrase just sorta hung there like he didn't know what to rhyme
> with it.

He still thought it was important enough to keep it in there.
He usually doesn't like to rhyme, at least not in the most obvious way,
like Oasis day-way-say combination or the Beatles 'Yesterday' which is
horrendous.
The line "there something you should know ..." is flowing very well though.

> so what are you saying now about kids and worries?

Now there's traumatic and there's TRAUMATIC and it also depends on the age
of the child.

 

[suzanne]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> He was second in command, but maybe there's a double meaning.

i always come up with a double meaning, even if it isn't there...

> You're gonna listen to it in full anyway if you buy it or are you only
> buying it as a mantel piece?

oh i'll listen to it in full. i'll most likely keep it in my CD player in my car long enough that eventually its going to meander its way through the album at some point, although i wish i had been able to buy rufus' new album sooner so i could play it to death first.

i can't handle having more than one new album at a time...

> you can skip through it. I saw that on the Liz Kershaw Show on BBC 6 Music
> they do a thing called 'the listening post' where they take a new album
> and cut
> 20 secs off every track and put it together so you can judge the album.
> makes a lot of sense.
> actually they have the new Belle & Sebastian on there:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/presenters/liz_kershaw/

i don't want to skip through the album! i want the entire thing!

i think that this year i've bought bought about 5 albums. flaming lips, jason mraz, nickelcreek, and rufus wainwright, and maybe someone else that i can't remember right now but probably will once i hit the submission button. and of those, i can't really get into the flaming lips or nickelcreek albums. i can't really tell you much about nickelcreek, and i can't really tell you how the flaming lips album ends, even though i like the opener...which it turns out was heavily borrowed from Cat Stevens anyway...

i've lost most interest in the music scene as a whole because i find that other media offers more.

>those aren't the
> ones I was talking about.
> have you found any new abilities you had, but you weren't aware of before?

> Britain has a serious problem with teen pregnancies, I don't think
> Ireland is any different. America you're not alone!

i found that the irish aren't very much like the english in many ways.

> well, it could be just my analysis, but yes.

> Scary, you lived in a very bad part of town?
> I knew a kid who was permanently pissed off and wasn't rescued from
> any such circumstances.

no, but she was adopted at a very young age and taken away from where she was at. she was left alone in a crib for days, and her brother actually suffered from brain damage from the malnourishment.

> gotta love Dana Carvey. That's not a popular name for a male.

> He still thought it was important enough to keep it in there.
> He usually doesn't like to rhyme, at least not in the most obvious way,
> like Oasis day-way-say combination or the Beatles 'Yesterday' which is
> horrendous.
> The line "there something you should know ..." is flowing very
> well though.

you don't necessarily have to rhyme, but i think that technically it is a rhyme with the word "boy"

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> i always come up with a double meaning, even if it isn't there...

You always have a "plan B", that's good.

> oh i'll listen to it in full. i'll most likely keep it in my CD player in
> my car long enough that eventually its going to meander its way through
> the album at some point, although i wish i had been able to buy rufus' new
> album sooner so i could play it to death first.

couldn't he come out of reab earlier to record the album?

> i can't handle having more than one new album at a time...

I would imagine it would sound awful playing two albums simultaneously
I think I prefer single songs rather than an album, cause most albums
have a couple of good songs and that's it.
That's why the internet thing is working so well.

> i don't want to skip through the album! i want the entire thing!

just to check the tracks to see if they're any good.

> i think that this year i've bought bought about 5 albums. flaming lips,
> jason mraz, nickelcreek, and rufus wainwright, and maybe someone else that
> i can't remember right now but probably will once i hit the submission
> button. and of those, i can't really get into the flaming lips or
> nickelcreek albums. i can't really tell you much about nickelcreek, and i
> can't really tell you how the flaming lips album ends, even though i like
> the opener...which it turns out was heavily borrowed from Cat Stevens
> anyway...

The less you buy, the less mistakes you're gonna make naturally.
I saw there's an interview with him in Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18718&cf=4906
The guy has serious issues.
His album got 4 stars there, but so did John Mayer's.

> i've lost most interest in the music scene as a whole because i find that
> other media offers more.

but there will always be music on its own, human nature.
but movies do a better job in making you forget about your life for awhile.

> i found that the irish aren't very much like the english in many ways.

for one, they hate the English. but I don't think they're that different.

> no, but she was adopted at a very young age and taken away from where she
> was at. she was left alone in a crib for days, and her brother actually
> suffered from brain damage from the malnourishment.

they always blame it on the malnourishment
the brain damage would also explain his violent behavior.
but seriously, does she remember the experience?

> you don't necessarily have to rhyme, but i think that technically it is a
> rhyme with the word "boy"

you're right, but I don't think he was aiming at that, it's a pretty pathetic rhyme. The line has meaning and that's what important to me.

 

[suzanne]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> You always have a "plan B", that's good.

no, that's my plan "A". plan "B" is to tune it out completely and not think about it.

> couldn't he come out of reab earlier to record the album?

maybe so, but genius needs a while to detox.

> I would imagine it would sound awful playing two albums simultaneously
> I think I prefer single songs rather than an album, cause most albums
> have a couple of good songs and that's it.
> That's why the internet thing is working so well.

yes, i read a very interesting article today on the CNN website offering their views of American Idol and what it means to the record buying public. they analyzed Clay Aiken as their main foe. basically, they said that most of his first single release sold mostly at wal-mart, and most of those were picked up by people who grabbed it at the rack next to the Twix bars at the check-out counter because those people don't go into the CD section of their respective stores that much. they saw the album and were reminded that he has a release.

i swear to god he must have read all of morrissey's interviews. he told the interviewer that the very fact that a guy like him who doesn't sing about sex and drugs and wants to present himself as a model of the "just say no" kid was "a revolution".

i tell you that this guy has an inner morrissey, but we need to get him drunk to let it out.

> just to check the tracks to see if they're any good.

i don't know why you are so adamant on arguing with me on where i spend my $15, but give it up! i'm seeing their show in november and i'm buying their album when it comes out this week!

> The less you buy, the less mistakes you're gonna make naturally.
> I saw there's an interview with him in Rolling Stone:
> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18718&cf=4906 The
> guy has serious issues.
> His album got 4 stars there, but so did John Mayer's.

f*** john mayer.

> but there will always be music on its own, human nature.

i suppose, and i still like to hear it, but i don't feel like i'm going to die if i don't know what every last album sounds like. i figure that if i'm supposed to know about it, eventually it will waft up from somewhere. it may not be the day it comes out, just like i didn't know who morrissey was until '94, but i always stumble across things in strange ways.

> but movies do a better job in making you forget about your life for
> awhile.

not necessarily that, but it involves more of the senses, and i do like those rare moments when you find that storyline that makes you say, "no way!"

> for one, they hate the English. but I don't think they're that different.

they certainly talk different!

oh, and by the way, when i was there, i was amused by a newspaper headline that blared "one in four 15-17 year olds have had sex!" so i don't think that really supports your hypothesis that its Ricki Lake all over again. there was still a number of people who were over the age of 24 and still hadn't had any.

> they always blame it on the malnourishment
> the brain damage would also explain his violent behavior.

he didn't have any violent behavior. i suppose he was nice, but he was always left to be in the slower classes.

the sister did, but she was more of a bully. you know its bad when a lot of the guys in our classes were afraid of her.

> but seriously, does she remember the experience?

why does she need to remember? based on what i've heard about children with emotional problems, some of it stems from being malnourished as an infant. even if the kid doesn't really "remember" it, they still display violent tendencies because their brain was damaged.

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> no, that's my plan "A". plan "B" is to tune it out
> completely and not think about it.

> maybe so, but genius needs a while to detox.

a detox may have devastating effects on his creativity.
He's now normal like the rest of us.

> yes, i read a very interesting article today on the CNN website offering
> their views of American Idol and what it means to the record buying
> public. they analyzed Clay Aiken as their main foe. basically, they said
> that most of his first single release sold mostly at wal-mart, and most of
> those were picked up by people who grabbed it at the rack next to the Twix
> bars at the check-out counter because those people don't go into the CD
> section of their respective stores that much. they saw the album and were
> reminded that he has a release.

Didn't find the article, but I saw you had a major festival at Austin:
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/20/acl.fest.ap/index.html
http://www.aclfestival.com/
you probably missed it.

The music industry is seeking new outlets and new audiences in light of the
downturn in sales. Morrissey should close a deal with Wal-Mart and fast.

> i swear to god he must have read all of morrissey's interviews. he told
> the interviewer that the very fact that a guy like him who doesn't sing
> about sex and drugs and wants to present himself as a model of the
> "just say no" kid was "a revolution".

Yep, a Morrissey come back is in order.
I won't settle for less than the original.

> i tell you that this guy has an inner morrissey, but we need to get him
> drunk to let it out.

On the British version, called Fame Academy, there was one contestant who said
he wanted to perform like Morrissey.
Sadly he dropped out half way through.

> i don't know why you are so adamant on arguing with me on where i spend my
> $15, but give it up! i'm seeing their show in november and i'm buying
> their album when it comes out this week!

Alright! alright! I don't care! you can buy 10 copies.

> f*** john mayer.

cursing won't make him go away.

> i suppose, and i still like to hear it, but i don't feel like i'm going to
> die if i don't know what every last album sounds like. i figure that if
> i'm supposed to know about it, eventually it will waft up from somewhere.
> it may not be the day it comes out, just like i didn't know who morrissey
> was until '94, but i always stumble across things in strange ways.

Yeah I think music should be looked at in hindsight. In ten years time
we will know to sort the good stuff from the rubbish.

> not necessarily that, but it involves more of the senses, and i do like
> those rare moments when you find that storyline that makes you say,
> "no way!"

But in order to make sure their investment is returned the studios produce movies according to a certain formula, thus the movies become repetitive.
Can you recommend a movie which caught you by surprise?

> they certainly talk different!

but say the same things

> oh, and by the way, when i was there, i was amused by a newspaper headline
> that blared "one in four 15-17 year olds have had sex!" so i
> don't think that really supports your hypothesis that its Ricki Lake all
> over again. there was still a number of people who were over the age of 24
> and still hadn't had any.

Now I know where not to spend my vacation kidding.

> he didn't have any violent behavior. i suppose he was nice, but he was
> always left to be in the slower classes.

Say it like it is, he was retarded.

> the sister did, but she was more of a bully. you know its bad when a lot
> of the guys in our classes were afraid of her.

There's one in every school.

> why does she need to remember? based on what i've heard about children
> with emotional problems, some of it stems from being malnourished as an
> infant. even if the kid doesn't really "remember" it, they still
> display violent tendencies because their brain was damaged.

Because there's a difference between the physical repercussions a traumatic event has on a child and the psychological repercussions.
His brain was damaged because of it, but did it have psychological afflictions on him (aside for the fact that he is different from the rest of the children, because his brain is damaged and therefore he is less popular and clever).

 

[suzanne]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> a detox may have devastating effects on his creativity.
> He's now normal like the rest of us.

oh i seriously doubt that. i'm sure he will find other trouble to get into.

> Didn't find the article, but I saw you had a major festival at Austin:
> http://edition.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/20/acl.fest.ap/index.html
> http://www.aclfestival.com/ you probably missed it.

yeah, that happened when i was gone out of town.

> The music industry is seeking new outlets and new audiences in light of
> the
> downturn in sales. Morrissey should close a deal with Wal-Mart and fast.

or a deal with satan...

> Yep, a Morrissey come back is in order.
> I won't settle for less than the original.

hopefully it will happen in our lifetime

> On the British version, called Fame Academy, there was one contestant who
> said
> he wanted to perform like Morrissey.
> Sadly he dropped out half way through.

ah, so that means that he DID perform like morrissey!

> Alright! alright! I don't care! you can buy 10 copies.

thank you. you're getting to be about as bad as coach with the, "i can set you up with one of my friends..."

> cursing won't make him go away.

ok, let's try prayer...

> Yeah I think music should be looked at in hindsight. In ten years time
> we will know to sort the good stuff from the rubbish.

sometimes it ages badly...like mullets.

> But in order to make sure their investment is returned the studios produce
> movies according to a certain formula, thus the movies become repetitive.
> Can you recommend a movie which caught you by surprise?

lord of the rings
sea biscuit
planet of the apes
shakespeare in love
blair witch project

and many more...

> but say the same things

> Now I know where not to spend my vacation kidding.

> Say it like it is, he was retarded.

yes, he was, but he had brain damage

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> oh i seriously doubt that. i'm sure he will find other trouble to get
> into.

lord knows he's dab hands at trouble, but there's so many things
you can do.

> yeah, that happened when i was gone out of town.

did you plan your trip to avoid the festival?

> or a deal with satan...

Satan has already declined. but Satan is old news,
Wal-Mart is the new evil force in the neighborhood.
Any ideas as to who did sign a contract with Satan?
John Mayer?

> hopefully it will happen in our lifetime

I hope it does in Morrissey's lifetime!

> ah, so that means that he DID perform like morrissey!

He was nice and could sing, but he was no Morrissey,
though he was the best off the lot.
I think they kicked him out merely for mentioning Morrissey.

I was just wondering why he didn't do a Smiths song on the show:
http://designermagazine.tripod.com/AinslieHendersonINT1.html

Q: After Tatu have covered the Smiths "How Soon Is Now?" can we expect any
Smiths covers from yourself and what do you think Mozzer would think of
Ainslie?
A: Do you know I really did think about doing it on the show, but if I don't know if anybody can do Morrissey. I don't know if I could sing a Smiths song without mimicking him because the Smiths songs just stink of Morrissey.

He'd probably think I'm a sad wee fanny from a reality TV Show and he'd be right to because at the moment that's basically what I am. I've got to seek to try and change that and get an album written which shows that isn't the case. It's a really perverse way of doing it because there was a time where people slowly became famous because they were brilliant and had a talent, whereas now people become famous and then show what they've got and their talent. And you can be pretty sure that in 3 years time most of the kids from Fame Academy won't be around...and i'm going to make damn sure I'm not one of them.

> thank you. you're getting to be about as bad as coach with the, "i
> can set you up with one of my friends..."

that's borderline harassment. Send him a cease and desist letter. no kidding.

> ok, let's try prayer...

> sometimes it ages badly...like mullets.

mullets were bad to begin with.

> lord of the rings

Which one Suzanne? (I know they all have the same name, relax)
I wasn't taken back by it.
It's just a good kiddy adventure movie(s).

> sea biscuit

haven't seen it.

> planet of the apes

I gave it a miss, it sounds like a pretty idiotic movie to be honest.

> shakespeare in love

Gwyneth ...

> blair witch project

I didn't care to watch it, it was so over-hyped, it became old fast.

> and many more...

> yes, he was, but he had brain damage

well we all have our reasons.

 

[suzanne]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> lord knows he's dab hands at trouble, but there's so many things
> you can do.

i've seen his type before...

> did you plan your trip to avoid the festival?

no, i planned my trip because that's the time of year it made the most sense to go!

otherwise, it looked like a good lineup, and i was sad to miss it.

> Satan has already declined. but Satan is old news,
> Wal-Mart is the new evil force in the neighborhood.
> Any ideas as to who did sign a contract with Satan?
> John Mayer?

that guy and michelle branch.

> I hope it does in Morrissey's lifetime!

> He was nice and could sing, but he was no Morrissey,
> though he was the best off the lot.
> I think they kicked him out merely for mentioning Morrissey.

because they wanted him to name good artists like J. Lo and justin timberlake.

> I was just wondering why he didn't do a Smiths song on the show:
> http://designermagazine.tripod.com/AinslieHendersonINT1.html Q: After
> Tatu have covered the Smiths "How Soon Is Now?" can we expect
> any
> Smiths covers from yourself and what do you think Mozzer would think of
> Ainslie?
> A: Do you know I really did think about doing it on the show, but if I
> don't know if anybody can do Morrissey. I don't know if I could sing a
> Smiths song without mimicking him because the Smiths songs just stink of
> Morrissey.

sad but true...morrissey does stink :^P

there was a band that did an OK job of it a few years ago. they are The Business and they did a version of Panic, but they had to make it their own to pull it off.

> He'd probably think I'm a sad wee fanny from a reality TV Show and he'd be
> right to because at the moment that's basically what I am. I've got to
> seek to try and change that and get an album written which shows that
> isn't the case. It's a really perverse way of doing it because there was a
> time where people slowly became famous because they were brilliant and had
> a talent, whereas now people become famous and then show what they've got
> and their talent. And you can be pretty sure that in 3 years time most of
> the kids from Fame Academy won't be around...and i'm going to make damn
> sure I'm not one of them.

good luck to him. even if he's good, they'll throw him out in the trash because he would be "old news"

> that's borderline harassment. Send him a cease and desist letter. no
> kidding.

i think he promised his ex-roommate to see what he could do, but i let him know that i wasn't entertaining any ideas.

> mullets were bad to begin with.

> Which one Suzanne? (I know they all have the same name, relax)
> I wasn't taken back by it.
> It's just a good kiddy adventure movie(s).

no, but can you imagine shooting 3 movies at the same time and trying to make sure that they don't get progressively worse?

> haven't seen it.

doesn't mean its bad or anything

> I gave it a miss, it sounds like a pretty idiotic movie to be honest.

i know its chuck heston, but still...it entertaining.

> Gwyneth ...

so who cares? joseph fiennes more than makes up for it. meow!

> I didn't care to watch it, it was so over-hyped, it became old fast.

i thought the same, but then i went and saw it.

you just want to be cranky in general about movies, don't you?

what about:

The Birds
Psycho
Aliens
Indiana Jones

and so forth?

there must be some film out there you love. you can't just simply reject them all.

> well we all have our reasons.

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> i've seen his type before...

but he's the prototype.

> no, i planned my trip because that's the time of year it made the most
> sense to go!

> otherwise, it looked like a good lineup, and i was sad to miss it.

well, there's always next year.

> that guy and michelle branch.

is someone playing her at your work place? cause she doesn't seem to
leave your thoughts.

> because they wanted him to name good artists like J. Lo and justin
> timberlake.

> sad but true...morrissey does stink :^P

reeks of talent!

> there was a band that did an OK job of it a few years ago. they are The
> Business and they did a version of Panic, but they had to make it their
> own to pull it off.

Well T.Rex did it first. Metal Guru.

> good luck to him. even if he's good, they'll throw him out in the trash
> because he would be "old news"

He had a single or something according to the interview, but that was that.

> i think he promised his ex-roommate to see what he could do, but i let him
> know that i wasn't entertaining any ideas.

it's WAR WAR WAR!

> no, but can you imagine shooting 3 movies at the same time and trying to
> make sure that they don't get progressively worse?

you shoot the films in reverse order, the third part first.

> doesn't mean its bad or anything

> i know its chuck heston, but still...it entertaining.

> so who cares? joseph fiennes more than makes up for it. meow!

meow?

> i thought the same, but then i went and saw it.

> you just want to be cranky in general about movies, don't you?

> what about:

> The Birds
> Psycho
> Aliens
> Indiana Jones

> and so forth?

> there must be some film out there you love. you can't just simply reject
> them all.

Well, here are a few that left an impression on me and are good in their genre, some childhood memories:

The Princess Bride
12 Monkeys
As Good As It Gets
Rosencranz & Guildenstern Are Dead (should see it again)
Midnight Cowboy
Billy Budd
Biloxi Blues
The Truman Show
Saving Private Ryan
American X/Primal Fear/Fight Club (Edward Norton before he became trite)

 

[suzanne]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> but he's the prototype.

and not the anti-christ?

> well, there's always next year.

> is someone playing her at your work place? cause she doesn't seem to
> leave your thoughts.

they play her too often on the mix station. i'll turn it to that station when i'm the mood for middle of the road stuff as background noise. i haven't quite aged into listening to the magic station yet.

> reeks of talent!

reeks of his own rotteness!

> Well T.Rex did it first. Metal Guru.

i wouldn't know...

> He had a single or something according to the interview, but that was
> that.

exactly. he's already came and went and he was never here to begin with.

> it's WAR WAR WAR!

> you shoot the films in reverse order, the third part first.

"wow! they keep getting younger and younger!"

> meow?

he's not bad!

> Well, here are a few that left an impression on me and are good in their
> genre, some childhood memories:

> The Princess Bride
> 12 Monkeys
> As Good As It Gets
> Rosencranz & Guildenstern Are Dead (should see it again)
> Midnight Cowboy
> Billy Budd
> Biloxi Blues
> The Truman Show
> Saving Private Ryan
> American X/Primal Fear/Fight Club (Edward Norton before he became trite)

i've seen some of those. i liked the princess bride, but 12 monkeys has dated poorly.

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> and not the anti-christ?

the anticlimax maybe?

> they play her too often on the mix station. i'll turn it to that station
> when i'm the mood for middle of the road stuff as background noise. i
> haven't quite aged into listening to the magic station yet.

well, there's a lot of money involved, that's why we probably won't
hear much of Morrissey on the radio.
I always found Jazz to be background noise kind of music.

> reeks of his own rotteness!

That's not a nice thing to say.
We are all decaying, but at an uneven pace.

> i wouldn't know...

I've recently discovered that T. Rex's Metal Guru is in fact
The Smiths' Panic, only with very bad lyrics.
Marr borrowed it.

> exactly. he's already came and went and he was never here to begin with.

that's how I'd like to be remembered, or rather be forget.

> "wow! they keep getting younger and younger!"

you see it has its advantages.
When Seinfeld did it, I found it amusing.
Some wish life would go in reverse order.

> he's not bad!

He's not a bad kitty? prrr.

> i've seen some of those. i liked the princess bride, but 12 monkeys has
> dated poorly.

haven't seen it in awhile, so maybe you're right.
check out the top 250 movies list selected by users
of IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/top_250_films

The Godfather as number 1???

Dr. Strangelove is another brilliant film.
Good Will Hunting was nice.
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is another classic.

As for TV show I read how you loathe CSI.
I rather like the show and I know the names
of the characters (shock)

 

[suzanne]

Re: Beavis & Butthead Do America

> the anticlimax maybe?

nah...give him a couple more years....

> well, there's a lot of money involved, that's why we probably won't
> hear much of Morrissey on the radio.
> I always found Jazz to be background noise kind of music.

it is, but its not played all the time on the radio. i can handle the vocal stuff and some sax/trumpet sort of stuff....but the rest is elevator music that would even annoy me.

> That's not a nice thing to say.
> We are all decaying, but at an uneven pace.

if you are a leper...

> I've recently discovered that T. Rex's Metal Guru is in fact
> The Smiths' Panic, only with very bad lyrics.
> Marr borrowed it.

i've read it somewhere a while ago that it was based upon it, but i still haven't heard the T. Rex version. i have an aversion to 70's music in general.

> that's how I'd like to be remembered, or rather be forget.

> you see it has its advantages.
> When Seinfeld did it, I found it amusing.
> Some wish life would go in reverse order.

like Merlin in the king arthur series?

> haven't seen it in awhile, so maybe you're right.
> check out the top 250 movies list selected by users
> of IMDB:
> http://www.imdb.com/top_250_films The Godfather as number 1???

i can see that. it's violent in a way that movies weren't violent before...

not that i've actually seen the first one...

> Dr. Strangelove is another brilliant film.
> Good Will Hunting was nice.
> The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is another classic.

> As for TV show I read how you loathe CSI.
> I rather like the show and I know the names
> of the characters (shock)

i've come to understand it now, even if i have my own reservations about it because i suppose i'm used to something as good as the x-files and i'm having to readjust my standards for this....

that, and i don't watch a lot of prime TV. i avoided it all last night and was watching the Ken Burn's documentary of the Lewis and Clark expedition. sounds like a nice little road to travel over. i wonder what sort of tourist industry that montana has.

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Lewis & Clark Do America

> nah...give him a couple more years....

I'm not sure he's got that much left.

> it is, but its not played all the time on the radio. i can handle the
> vocal stuff and some sax/trumpet sort of stuff....but the rest is elevator
> music that would even annoy me.

I enjoy the silence better sometimes.

> if you are a leper...

hasn't this disease been abolished?
Anyway what I meant is that once we reach the age of 20
our cells start to age and die, it is more apparent in some
people. Morrissey hasn't been decaying well

> i've read it somewhere a while ago that it was based upon it, but i still
> haven't heard the T. Rex version. i have an aversion to 70's music in
> general.

well the music sounds very familiar

> like Merlin in the king arthur series?

> i can see that. it's violent in a way that movies weren't violent
> before...

I thought that was the Goodfellas?

> not that i've actually seen the first one...

The first God Father is the one leading the list of all-time greatest movies.
I don't remember it either.

> i've come to understand it now, even if i have my own reservations about
> it because i suppose i'm used to something as good as the x-files and i'm
> having to readjust my standards for this....

I hated the X-files, they never solved any case.
So you end up knowing less at the end of an episode, than you
did at the beginning.
At least at CSI they solve most of their cases and have closure.
I need 'closure'.
CSI is about the technicalities, so you need to be into this
sort of thing. it's also 'good to know' info.
And there's a slight possibility they would mentioned Morrissey again

What about 24? an action movie that doesn't have to end exactly after
a hour and a half has passed.

> that, and i don't watch a lot of prime TV. i avoided it all last night and
> was watching the Ken Burn's documentary of the Lewis and Clark expedition.
> sounds like a nice little road to travel over. i wonder what sort of
> tourist industry that montana has.

It's a change from the other expedition you were interested at, as this one didn't end in tragedy, or did it?

 

[suzanne]

Re: Lewis & Clark Do America

> I'm not sure he's got that much left.

sure he does. we all do.

> I enjoy the silence better sometimes.

"hello darkness my old friend..."

> hasn't this disease been abolished?
> Anyway what I meant is that once we reach the age of 20
> our cells start to age and die, it is more apparent in some
> people. Morrissey hasn't been decaying well

basically we are like rotten apples with shriveled surfaces, is that what you're saying?

> well the music sounds very familiar

so then i'd know what to expect...

> I thought that was the Goodfellas?

violent for its time....but i think when you say "goodfellas" that you are leaving out all the horror movies in between.

> The first God Father is the one leading the list of all-time greatest
> movies.
> I don't remember it either.

> I hated the X-files, they never solved any case.
> So you end up knowing less at the end of an episode, than you
> did at the beginning.

sometimes they did. whoever had a bullet in them at the end was usually the culprit.

> At least at CSI they solve most of their cases and have closure.
> I need 'closure'.
> CSI is about the technicalities, so you need to be into this
> sort of thing. it's also 'good to know' info.

in case you need to look at the soil samples on someone's feet and tell what sort of yard they've been walking through....

> And there's a slight possibility they would mentioned Morrissey again

oh pffft

> What about 24? an action movie that doesn't have to end exactly after
> a hour and a half has passed.

i don't like pure action films. i dont like heist films and i don't see much point in Bad Boys or Lethal Weapon. i like my stories to have a point and to be interesting. i don't give a shit about cops chasing people down on the streets and having some thug spit at him during interrogation.

> It's a change from the other expedition you were interested at, as this
> one didn't end in tragedy, or did it?

what other expedition was that?

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Lewis & Clark Do America

> sure he does. we all do.

how on earth do know this?

> "hello darkness my old friend..."

> basically we are like rotten apples with shriveled surfaces, is that what
> you're saying?

Not exactly, but we are biological material.
some apples are bigger than others

> so then i'd know what to expect...

expect very bad lyrics as well ...

> violent for its time....but i think when you say "goodfellas"
> that you are leaving out all the horror movies in between.

really which ones? I think Goodfellas was new with its visual presentation
of violence, because let's face it violence was always there in movies
(and in life).

> sometimes they did. whoever had a bullet in them at the end was usually
> the culprit.

those were innocent people, Mulder was just trigger happy.
You are certainly not suggesting that everyone the authorities shoot
is guilty.
And I distinctively remember one episode in particular, in which
they were looking for a giant alligator and were unable to find it.
quality television indeed.
half of the viewers watching this show were male teenagers interested
in Scally.

> in case you need to look at the soil samples on someone's feet and tell
> what sort of yard they've been walking through....

I admit it's waning with time, but there were some cool things I didn't
know (hopefully I'd never need to know).

> oh pffft

> i don't like pure action films. i dont like heist films and i don't see
> much point in Bad Boys or Lethal Weapon. i like my stories to have a point
> and to be interesting. i don't give a shit about cops chasing people down
> on the streets and having some thug spit at him during interrogation.

some of us like to be entertained with clean harmless fun and those films are usually humorous at parts. People enjoy things they can't do in real life.
What I really loath is romantic comedies, talk about pointless.

> what other expedition was that?

The Franklin expedition, the one in which everyone ended up dead.