Spectator USA: "Human after all" by John Waters (August 5, 2020)

Human after all

What Morrissey always resisted was not so much respectability — the usual target of wannabe pop rebels — as normality and norms

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Cited by Facebook Official later the same day:

Update:
The article now features on Morrissey Central:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN LIFE AS THE NEW NORMAL - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN LIFE AS THE NEW NORMAL

MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL

www.morrisseycentral.com

 

[Vegan Cro Spirit .777]

What you mean just posting sensationalised murders without taking into account underlying factors like poverty or drugs might distort the situation?

You don't say.

WtF??? underlying factors for carrying an Fing Machete?
a job is too difficult and takes away time from boozing and
playing a video game.
dont come all the way to the UK to work LOL
raise the dole payment to a million pounds a month and
underlying factors go poof in the night

 

[Deleted member 29417]

None of these killings form a clear pattern like the increasing black street murders in London, but happy reading.

I could go on to white serial killers, white gangsters, white family slayers, white spree killers...

The only 'pattern' you want to see is a racist one.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

After you're done googling 'white murderers', you dishonest cretin, how about googling stories involving black murderers/rapists for the first time in your life and posting some of your findings (since they're far overrepresented in murder/rape rates so if you're going to do research on murder cases it seems like a logical place to start)? Here's a random attack I saw on Twitter earlier to get you started:

White supremacist goes on 9 day killing rampage.

How a white supremacist murderer was treated to salmon dinner

David Pedersen had admitted to killing his father and stepmother in 2011 in Washington but not the murders of Reginald Clark or Cody Myers, who were carjacked and shot dead.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 29417]

WtF??? underlying factors for carrying an Fing Machete?
a job is too difficult and takes away time from boozing and
playing a video game.
dont come all the way to the UK to work LOL
raise the dole payment to a million pounds a month and
underlying factors go poof in the night

White man shoots 58 people dead.

The anatomy of the Las Vegas mass shooting, the deadliest in modern US history

ABC News' "Nightline" takes a comprehensive at the Las Vegas massacre, the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

abcnews.go.com

 

[marred]

The propaganda is.

Which propaganda specifically are you referring to?

 

[Deleted member 29417]

Which propaganda specifically are you referring to?

White supremacist websites that promote ideas about black criminality & black on white crime. They collect crime stories, falsify facts... etc.

This is written badly (IMO) but the research is sound.

The Biggest Lie in the White Supremacist Propaganda Playbook: Unraveling the Truth About ‘Black-on-White Crime'

The idea that black people are wantonly attacking white people in some sort of quiet race war is an untruthful and damaging narrative with a very long history in America.

www.splcenter.org

 

[Vegan Cro Spirit 444]

White man shoots 58 people dead.

The anatomy of the Las Vegas mass shooting, the deadliest in modern US history

ABC News' "Nightline" takes a comprehensive at the Las Vegas massacre, the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

abcnews.go.com

so this of black crime is a white blog conspiracy! nobody has been killed or robbed or wupped by machetes
what a relief!
so its a left loon conspiracy theory that black crime is a white blog conspiracy theory!
mama mia! its a conspiracy inside a conspiracy! a hoax inside a hoax!

all the victims of black crime are really alive inside an igloo-hiding in plain white igloo site-atop a mountain!! very devious, these white folk

 

[Anonymous]

Ach, bless. You didn't make any argument apart from the argument you made.

That was an observation, not an argument. Learn the difference.

You need to think more, and post less.

As vegan.cro lays out in his above post, I may have been far too kind a couple of days ago when I referred to you merely as a "dipshit".

 

[Deleted member 29417]

so this of black crime is a white blog conspiracy! nobody has been killed or robbed or wupped by machetes
what a relief!
so its a left loon conspiracy theory that black crime is a white blog conspiracy theory!
mama mia! its a conspiracy inside a conspiracy! a hoax inside a hoax!

all the victims of black crime are really alive inside an igloo-hiding in plain white igloo site-atop a mountain!! very devious, these white folk

USA

UK

 

[marred]

More racist mantra from the tyrant Anne Marie Waters, or if you have a brain and care to use it, a reasoned discussion between two reasonable people.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

More racist mantra from the tyrant Anne Marie Waters, or if you have a brain and care to use it, a reasoned discussion between two reasonable people.

More of her wasting her time trying to make the far right look 'reasonable'.

She had a real job once & now she's reduced to chats on YouTube with Scammy Robinson.

Marxist playbook? As if socialism has ever been big in America or as if The Socialist Worker's Party are going to rush to victory in the UK.

They're just jealous because they can't get the numbers or the coverage for their demos.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

That was an observation, not an argument. Learn the difference.

You need to think more, and post less.

As vegan.cro lays out in his above post, I may have been far too kind a couple of days ago when I referred to you merely as a "dipshit".

You gave reasons, you didn't just make observations - therefore it's an argument - a shoddy, sad, butt-hurt argument, but still an argument.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

 

[Anonymous]

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Now for a quick look at London crime statistics where black people make up a sizable share of the population, instead of using country-wide statistics where they account for 3% of the population:

"In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent. Between April 2005 and January 2006, figures from the Metropolitan Police Service showed that black people accounted for 46 percent of car-crime arrests generated by automatic number plate recognition cameras.[66]

Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property. Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime. Similar statistics were recorded for females. On knife crime, 45 percent of suspected female perpetrators were black; for gun crime, 58 percent; and for robberies, 52 percent.[65]

Operation Trident was set up in March 1998 by the Metropolitan Police to investigate gun crime in London's black community after black-on-black shootings in Lambeth and Brent."

Crime in London - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

And your US statistics paint a different tale to the one you think it does. Even when cherry-picking the information you like and leaving out the parts you don't like, you can't even get that right. Are you sure you're not secretly an 'Alt Right' person in disguise?

 

[marred]

More of her wasting her time trying to make the far right look 'reasonable'.

She had a real job once & now she's reduced to chats on YouTube with Scammy Robinson.

Marxist playbook? As if socialism has ever been big in America or as if The Socialist Worker's Party are going to rush to victory in the UK.

They're just jealous because they can't get the numbers or the coverage for their demos.

Speaking in facts is now far right. Defending a countries border is far right. Free speech is far right. Blah, blah, blah...

 

[Deleted member 29417]

Speaking in facts is now far right. Defending a countries border is far right. Free speech is far right. Blah, blah, blah...

No, she is literally on the far right - working for & with it. Part of their attempt to soften their image & win votes. Not that it's working.

Facts, borders & free speech is the fig leaf.

I think in her case she's genuinely a bit cracked & has become convinced Militant Islam will take over the UK if she doesn't team up with white nationalists. Bit sad really.

& I think Moz genuinely thinks she's been smeared by the press. He was, so it would be plausible.

Meet the For Britain Movement – HOPE not hate

UPDATE: Since publication, it has come to our attention that Mandy Baldwin has left The For Britain Movement The For Britain Movement, the anti-Muslim party...

www.hopenothate.org.uk

 

[Deleted member 29417]

Now for a quick look at London crime statistics where black people make up a sizable share of the population, instead of using country-wide statistics where they account for 3% of the population:

"In June 2010 The Sunday Telegraph, through a Freedom of Information Act request, obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent. Between April 2005 and January 2006, figures from the Metropolitan Police Service showed that black people accounted for 46 percent of car-crime arrests generated by automatic number plate recognition cameras.[66]

Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property. Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime. Similar statistics were recorded for females. On knife crime, 45 percent of suspected female perpetrators were black; for gun crime, 58 percent; and for robberies, 52 percent.[65]

Operation Trident was set up in March 1998 by the Metropolitan Police to investigate gun crime in London's black community after black-on-black shootings in Lambeth and Brent."

Crime in London - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

And your US statistics paint a different tale to the one you think it does. Even when cherry-picking the information you like and leaving out the parts you don't like, you can't even get that right. Are you sure you're not secretly an 'Alt Right' person in disguise?

White men kill their families at the highest rates.

 

[Reg]

Black gang culture within cities and London is a specific problem in itself. If you know how it can be solved then come forth with your solutions. Obviously the people here are mainly saying that most black people in London should be sent en masse to Africa.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

Black gang culture within cities and London is a specific problem in itself. If you know how it can be solved then come forth with your solutions. Obviously the people here are mainly saying that most black people in London should be sent en masse to Africa.

This is a good article about London's gangs.

Glasgow's gang culture is pretty bad, but robust policing combined with community trust keeps it manageable.

What Gangs of London gets right about gang culture | Spectator Life

The new Sky Atlantic series is a remarkably frank portrayal of what it’s like to be embroiled in organised crime.

life.spectator.co.uk

 

[Anonymous]

White men kill their families at the highest rates.

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Are you going to say anything about black male crime rates or are you going to keep fighting this losing battle and posting random clippings without citations? I'd love to get you on the psychiatrist's chair for an hour and find out about this barrier you have erected in your mind which you're unable to overcome. If you're too cowardly to confront the truth after decades of mainstream propaganda that's your business, but don't fight against people who, undeterred by the social stigma that's been attached to these topics, are braver than you and willing to confront the topics that you're unwilling to. Step aside; you're in lockstep with every establishment politician on the topics of diversity and immigration so you're not going to write anything that I haven't already seen dozens of times before. If you're willing to shut up and learn then by all means stick around; otherwise f*ck off.